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To: John Leland 1789
Can we be real a minute? What is the ratio of clergy to Catholic lay persons in the Philippines? Is it a reasonable expectation that a priest would know the details of the daily life of his flock?

Our parish has a "companion parish" in Haiti. We send money, medicine, and workers. We have built a school and are able to provide meals from the students from a covered kitchen. The pastor there was hospitalized last year (or the year before?) for exhaustion.

He doesn't have a secret police or camera and microphones in the shanties of the people he spends himself serving. He is focussed on making sure the children are healthy enough and fed enough to learn. He sees the need and, with the help he gets from us, he tries to meet it.

Sometimes I think your side just doesn't understand how things work. We really do trust God (and ask Him to help us trust Him more.) We try to preach to the condition of our hearers. An old radio evangelist once told me that FIRST people hear the love of God. THEN in the light of that Love they are able to understand their sins and to begin to reform their lives. Despite the press we get, we preach the Gospel of Divine Love.

People are so numbed by polytheism and by sin in general that one obvious defect is that they lack anything like fervor for a God who does not "possess" them but rather liberates them. (That's one reason I pray for the gift of increased fervor myself.)

The school, the generator, the fuel, the buildings, the food, the clothing, the books and supplies -- these are all concrete witnesses to a Love that doesn't stop at "be warmed and be filled," but goes on to do some warming and filling. In a few cases, some blades put forth ear and then grain and can be harvested now. But in many cases we have to consign people to God's mercy and to plow, cultivate, fertilize, spray, hoe, and walk the middles to see how things are growing for generations.

Speaking of fertilizer: I'm not sure what the Philippines mean to you. To me they are, inter alia, a staging grounds where faithful Catholic clergy prepared to go to Indochina and China to be martyred. When others say we do not demand enough from our people, I will think about what we have given for our people.

But in any case, whatever we do, it is always so that the grain grows "we know not how." We do what we do, and look to God to give the increase.

To others that may seem antinomian (a strange charge to lay on Catholics.) We don't do it for your approval or even understanding, though we'd prefer your help to the stream of criticism. We have a more exigent Lord, who demands and then grants, but little by little, perfection.

And I cannot end without noting again that when we are not being yelled at for exercising iron and minute control over every aspect of people's lives, we are yelled at for not exercising sufficient control. If we hadn't been trained for two millennia to expect buffets and blows, we'd be a tad confused.

8,130 posted on 02/03/2010 6:38:18 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg

Can we be real a minute? What is the ratio of clergy to Catholic lay persons in the Philippines? Is it a reasonable expectation that a priest would know the details of the daily life of his flock?


We will be real for a lot longer than a minute. If the ministers of any church can not manage the communion service, cannot know who is receiving communion, so allows KNOWN IDOL WORSHIPPERS and KNOWN UNCLEAN SPIRIT WORSHIPPERS to partake at the Lord’s table, ....

Then that church is much too big. In such a situation, most of the people are not genuine Christians anyway, so the ministers are training dogs (2 Peter 2:22) and washing hogs, instead of feeding sheep.


8,277 posted on 02/03/2010 4:43:57 PM PST by John Leland 1789 (But then, I'm accused of just being a troll, so . . . .)
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