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To: betty boop
Truly God has blessed you with illuminating insight, dearest sister in Christ!

As usual on the Religion Forum, we were speaking of theological degrees of separation among those who believe in Christ. And as usual, your "eyes" lifted up from the trees and saw the forest, the separation between man and God.

That separation would make for a much better discussion and I do hope will be addressed in one of your upcoming essays!

6,328 posted on 01/24/2010 9:43:02 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; Quix; xzins; metmom; hosepipe; marron
...the separation between man and God.

This separation, to the extent it exists, comes from the human side of the God–Man relation. Or so it seems to me.

One sure way to separate ourselves from God is to attempt to rationalize His Holy Word. What I mean by this is reading the Biblical texts as if they were quite ordinary language statements such as one finds textbooks, rather than as the inspired Word of God; and further, as if Biblical statements have only one possible rational meaning.

My own sense is texts of the Holy Scriptures often have multiple levels of meaning. Not to mention these meanings are globally "reinforced" across the entire holy work. As an obvious example of this, consider the OT prophets foreseeing/foretelling the coming of the NT Christ.

So it is possible that two persons debating "degrees of separation" among Christians on the basis of the meaning of particular scriptural texts aren't even "on the same page," so to speak. The only way they can get "on the same page" is to reduce the divine language to customary human language terms both can agree on.

But with this reduction, we drain the text of Spirit. Now we are not speaking of God's Word and His Will for us any longer at all, rather which side is to prevail in an argument. Such "debates" usually only separate Christians one from another, often enough with considerable acrimony — and thus from God.

I don't know if I've explained this very well. It all has to do with the relations between faith and reason. Faith must come first. Then we are free to engage in the fides quaerens intellectum, a theological method associated with Anselm of Canterbury, in which confident faith seeks intellectual understanding of itself. Which is what I've basically been trying to do all my adult life.

But I have to tell you this "quest" is utterly internal, and the way must be lit by the Holy Spirit. It is utterly pointless to "argue" about it, or what it has revealed. Yet having started from the position of "confident faith," increasingly I see how completely "reasonable" it is.... From God's own revelations of Himself in Scripture, in the Creation (i.e., the natural world subject to physical laws and principles), in Christ, and in the Holy Spirit with us.

Sometimes I get the impression that those who argue on the basis of a given interpretation of Holy Scripture are doing so in order to confirm the truthfulness of their faith. Others agreeing with us is a kind of "confidence builder." But if that is so, then it stands to reason there was no confident faith to begin with.

In other words, the agreement of others with our interpretation is what gives us confidence in our faith. If others do not agree, this creates anxiety and division — "degrees of separation."

But our faith is confirmed only by God, in God. It cannot be confirmed by the "opinions" of man.

I do not believe that this is what our Father in Heaven wants for his children.

What God wants is that we live by His One Great Commandment: To love Him with our whole heart and soul and mind and strength; and — its sublime corollary — to love our neighbor as ourself.

Then we avoid the problem of separation — from Him, and from our Christian brethren of whatever denomination — and build up the Body of Christ.

Just my thoughts, dearest sister in Christ, for whatever they're worth.

Thank you so very much for your kind words!

6,579 posted on 01/26/2010 9:36:52 AM PST by betty boop (Malevolence wears the false face of honesty. — Tacitus)
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