[Dr. Eckleburg]

In all this silly elevation of Mary into something she is not and has never been the lost don't see why God choose to be born in a stable. God could have been born in the Holy of Holies if He choose, but instead He was born where animals defecate. God came to us in our fallen state to raise us up, just as the Holy Spirit indwells our fallen hearts and transforms us.

Amen! Basic Christianity beautifully testified to in your post.

[wmfights]

God came to us in our fallen state to raise us up,...

Dr.E: Amen! Basic Christianity beautifully testified to in your post.

Thank you. It seems to me this basic understanding puts to shame the idea that Jesus had to come to us in a perfect sinless vessel.