[John Leland 1789]

you made a statement about Czechs forming Churchs in 45 AD? your Question was “There were people and groups in N-W EUrope that did not know of the See of Rome” —> PROVE IT.

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The “SEE” of Rome in the sense of Roman Catohlicism didn’t exist until the fourth century. All history that says it existed earlier is fabricated by the same “SEE.”

[Mad Dawg]

Doubling down is not a proof.

[Petronski]

The “SEE” of Rome in the sense of Roman Catohlicism didn’t exist until the fourth century. All history that says it existed earlier is fabricated by the same “SEE.”

I see that same fever-dream repeated by all the worst enemies of the Catholic Church.

Is it in a Catholic-hating handbook or manual somewhere?

[Mad Dawg]

We can talk as much as we like about how the Church, dogma and practice, "develop." But the minute we finish talking our antagonists will insist that if we want to claim the primacy of the Petrine Apostolate, we must PROVE that everything was exactly as it is now.

Evidently, they simply cannot wrap their minds around the whole acorn -> tree analogy. We're not asking that they believe it. If they want to believe that the primitive church had bouffant blow dry hair with ushers and soloists and a music director always feuding with the pastor, there's not a lot we can do about it.

In a gesture of maganimity, I will concede that the Christians of later Bohemia did not expect papal nuncios to jet into the clearing they made in the woods, step out of the plane in watered silk cassocks, and force everyone in sight to submit to a rubber chicken dinner made even worse with interminable addresses.

But even with this concession, I'm thinking that the primacy of Peter was important, though blurry.

[Quix]

Now now.

I thought you knew that mangled histories are more or at least equally authoritative as Scripture.

/massive sar

[Cronos]

All history that says it existed earlier is fabricated

Ah, more conspiracy theories. Did the aliens come down and change history too? What do the voices in thine head say?