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To: Natural Law
The Catechism IS the word of God every bit as much, and by the same process as the Bible. AND....we have the benefit of the best theological minds of all times, guided by the Holy Spirit and the Traditions of the Church actually explaining what the Words of God mean to each of us instead of having self interpret or follow the musings of self anointed reformers.

Like I said; if you guys would study the scriptures like you study your catechism, you'd soon find out that God isn't interested in great theological minds...You'd find out your church traditions are meaningless to God...God wrote everything in the scriptures that was necessary for our Salvation...

Your religion is full of false Christs...You have written records of a few men that go back to the early years of Christianity whose writings disagree with scripture and you follow them like they are pied pipers

So what??? Paul warned us about heretics all over the place...What evidence do you have that your church fathers weren't some of these heretics???

5,066 posted on 01/20/2010 5:18:29 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool; Natural Law; wagglebee

>>Your religion is full of false Christs...What evidence do you have that your church fathers weren’t some of these heretics?<<

LOLOLOLOLOL!
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Name calling comes from desperation.


5,068 posted on 01/20/2010 5:31:25 AM PST by netmilsmom (I am Ilk)
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To: Iscool
You have written records of a few men that go back to the early years of Christianity whose writings disagree with scripture...

No no no no no.

Those writings disagree with YOPIOS.

So what?

5,076 posted on 01/20/2010 6:17:09 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Iscool; Natural Law
Your religion is full of false Christs

is that Islamic mullah's talking about The Church? Do you believe that Christ was actually not crucified as the Koran tells you?
5,094 posted on 01/20/2010 6:54:15 AM PST by Cronos (Philipp2:12, 2Cor5:10, Rom2:6, Matt7:21, Matt22:14, Lu12:42-46,John15:1-10,Rev2:4-5,Rev22:19)
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To: Iscool
"Like I said; if you guys would study the scriptures like you study your catechism, you'd soon find out that God isn't interested in great theological minds...You'd find out your church traditions are meaningless to God...God wrote everything in the scriptures that was necessary for our Salvation..."

To deny that the Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture are bound means you know or understand precious little of the content, source and authority of either or both. From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

80 "Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, then, are bound closely together, and communicate one with the other. For both of them, flowing out from the same divine well-spring, come together in some fashion to form one thing, and move towards the same goal." Each of them makes present and fruitful in the Church the mystery of Christ, who promised to remain with his own "always, to the close of the age".

. . . two distinct modes of transmission

81 "Sacred Scripture is the speech of God as it is put down in writing under the breath of the Holy Spirit."

"And [Holy] Tradition transmits in its entirety the Word of God which has been entrusted to the apostles by Christ the Lord and the Holy Spirit. It transmits it to the successors of the apostles so that, enlightened by the Spirit of truth, they may faithfully preserve, expound and spread it abroad by their preaching."

82 As a result the Church, to whom the transmission and interpretation of Revelation is entrusted, "does not derive her certainty about all revealed truths from the holy Scriptures alone. Both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honored with equal sentiments of devotion and reverence."

5,236 posted on 01/20/2010 11:30:42 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: Iscool
Like I said; if you guys would study the scriptures like you study your catechism, you'd soon find out that God isn't interested in great theological minds

Trying to make a place for yourself?

You'd find out your church traditions are meaningless to God

Judaic traditions. Jesus created His own.

Your religion is full of false Christs

We don't have a religion.

So what??? Paul warned us about heretics all over the place...What evidence do you have that your church fathers weren't some of these heretics???

In some cases (much of Origen e.g., and substantial portions of Augustine), they were. The Church selected correct doctrines from the among the writings of the sinners.

5,295 posted on 01/20/2010 4:17:24 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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