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Motion to strike as non-responsive. You changed the terms by adding the word, ‘plan,’ which changes the meaning of your previous post.

Yet, the new terms you have posed are still interesting:

You stated: “YOU make the choice if you want to accept God’s will or not.”

I ask: Can a human being thwart God’s will? If ‘yes,’ He is not sovereign, and something else is. If ‘no,’ then predestination is true.

Not really -- in your first post(#4676( you said: Any system which teaches that the serious intentions of God can in some cases be defeated, and that man, who is not only a creature but a sinful creature, can exercise veto power over the plans of Almighty God, is in striking contrast to the biblical idea of his immeasurable exaltation by which He is removed from all weaknesses of humanity.

To which I replied in post # 4760: Any system which teaches that the serious intentions of God can in some cases be defeated, and that man, who is not only a creature but a sinful creature, can exercise veto power over the plans of Almighty God, is in striking contrast to the biblical idea of his immeasurable exaltation by which He is removed from all weaknesses of humanity.

But, the view of The Church is NOT that God's intentions can ever be defeated by a creature like Man. God has a plan for mankind -- and His plan WILL come true, irrespective of whether John Smith accepts Christ or not. God's plan works. The presence of our free will in no way negates or even affects God's plan for mankind. Assuming that the choice YOU make affects God is sheer egotism.

We don't believe that, we believe tha the choices we make are known to God, but not predestined by Him and they in no way affect His Master Plan.

But, the view of The Church is NOT that God's intentions can ever be defeated by a creature like Man. God has a plan for mankind -- and His plan WILL come true, irrespective of whether John Smith accepts Christ or not. God's plan works. The presence of our free will in no way negates or even affects God's plan for mankind. Assuming that the choice YOU make affects God is sheer egotism.

We don't believe that, we believe tha the choices we make are known to God, but not predestined by Him and they in no way affect His Master Plan.

My post which you quoted hence was a reference to the fact that If you think that the choice you make affects God's plan, then that is sheer egotism

The debate was purely about the fact that your will and choice cannot change the overall plan God has for mankind. Your choice and your will affects you alone.

I ask: Can a human being thwart God’s will? If ‘yes,’ He is not sovereign, and something else is. If ‘no,’ then predestination is true. -- A human being's acceptance or rejection of God's grace (which saves the human being) in no way affirms or thwarts God's will. God's will is far more powerful than the choice a little mortal makes. Hence the question is a no-go.