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To: NoGrayZone
This is a fine example of what I mean by form and inform and of the need for CAREFUL thought.

The query is
'You have to show me where did the Christian Church forbid the making of Holy Images.'

I went through your response and looked for the words "making" and "images". They did not appear. The words "idol" and "idolatry" did appear.

I can read your answer and say: there is nothing in what you said which opposes the MAKING of holy IMAGES. You seem to assume that all images are idols. But that is the VERY THING in question!

So your answer and collection of verses comes down to,"It's wrong because I say so." You have not shown where the Christian Church forbade the making of Holy Images.

4,016 posted on 01/17/2010 6:25:46 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg
Okay then. Go ahead and bow, pray, worship your idols.

My response was to this statement "That’s it, that’s the idea: this very quote. The law of Moses, so solemnly proclaimed to the Jews — to circumcise men, to stay away form pork, etc — was lifted by a sovereign decision of the Church.

And I have read in previous comment(s) that the "old laws" were thrown out, so I posted scripture from the New Testament showing that we're still not allowed to worship idols, statues, images, etc.

4,030 posted on 01/17/2010 7:08:08 AM PST by NoGrayZone
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To: Mad Dawg
So your answer and collection of verses comes down to,"It's wrong because I say so." You have not shown where the Christian Church forbade the making of Holy Images.

In the OT, God calls your Holy Images idols and gods...And then you guys go so far as to call these idols and gods, Holy Images...

Paul gives us an example:

Act 19:24 For a certain man named Demetrius, a silversmith, which made silver shrines for Diana, brought no small gain unto the craftsmen;
Act 19:25 Whom he called together with the workmen of like occupation, and said, Sirs, ye know that by this craft we have our wealth.
Act 19:26 Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands:
Act 19:27 So that not only this our craft is in danger to be set at nought; but also that the temple of the great goddess Diana should be despised, and her magnificence should be destroyed, whom all Asia and the world.

An interesting thing about Diana; she was the moon goddess...Her husband Apollo was the sun god...Lucifer is her brother...Diana was forever a virgin...She was referred to as the Queen of Heaven...

But as we know that God condemned these idols and gods, we now see that Paul as well condemned statues and trinkets made of metal and wood that were used as aids in worship...

Apparently Paul forgot to mentions that these little icons would be ok to use to worship God...Must have slipped his mind...

Whenever I read these verses, I'm reminded of your Eucharist celebration and those people who were raised up as Catholics and those just looking for a religion...

1Co 8:8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.
1Co 8:9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak
1Co 8:10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
1Co 8:11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish,

4,060 posted on 01/17/2010 9:00:02 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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