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To: RnMomof7
I'm not sure I follow the reasoning here. Where in Scripture does it say that God rejected Cain's sacrifice because it was bloodless? God may reject a bloodless sacrifice, but possibly accept another.

It intrigues me that in the Eucharistic Prayer of Cranmer (who was, I think, more Calvinist that anything else in his thought) there is language along these lines:

"And here we offer and present unto Thee, O Lord, our selves, our souls and bodies, to be a reasonable, holy, and living sacrifice ..."
Of course, the word "bloodless" does not appear, but I guess I always thought it was implied. ("reasonable" here means "able to reason".)

Is the notion that every offering be bloody a part of some theologies? Just asking. No hidden agenda.

3,755 posted on 01/16/2010 11:17:02 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg
I'm not sure I follow the reasoning here. Where in Scripture does it say that God rejected Cain's sacrifice because it was bloodless? God may reject a bloodless sacrifice, but possibly accept another.

The bloody sacrifice was a type of Christ all through the OT, starting with the skins God covered the nakedness of Adam and Eve with..He ordered bloody sacrifices for the covering/ forgiveness of sin throughout the OT .. Abel did as God commanded and took the best of his animals and slay it , Cain disobeyed and brought a false sacrifice.. one that could never cover his sin . I do nor much care what Cramer thinks unless he is infallible :)

Hebrews 11:4 By faith Abel offered to God a better sacrifice than Cain, through which he obtained the testimony that he was righteous, God testifying about his gifts, and through faith, though he is dead, he still speaks.

3,784 posted on 01/16/2010 11:52:29 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.)
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To: Mad Dawg; RnMomof7

4”When you bring a grain offering baked in the oven as an offering, it shall be unleavened loaves of fine flour mixed with oil or unleavened wafers smeared with oil. 5And if your offering is a grain offering baked on a griddle, it shall be of fine flour unleavened, mixed with oil. 6You shall break it in pieces and pour oil on it; it is a grain offering. 7And if your offering is a grain offering cooked in a pan, it shall be made of fine flour with oil. 8And you shall bring the grain offering that is made of these things to the LORD, and when it is presented to the priest, he shall bring it to the altar. 9And the priest shall take from the grain offering its memorial portion and burn this on the altar, a food offering with a pleasing aroma to the LORD.” - Lev 2

I’m not a theologian...does a grain offering count as a sacrifice?

“15 Through him then let us continually offer up a sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of lips that acknowledge his name. 16Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are pleasing to God.” - Hebrews 13

Thanksgiving to God, and doing good and charity count!


3,794 posted on 01/16/2010 12:17:58 PM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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