It's not a claim, it's historical fact. The Orthodox left during the Great Schism in the early 11th century and the Protestant Reformation began in the early 16th century.
I did not think you could prove it...The services according to scripture was preaching and breaking bread..no ritual sacrifice, no apostle leading them
What you say conflicts with Scripture. Are you suggesting that Paul felt we needed to be worthy simply to eat?
And you are right, not all early masses had an Apostle officiating, just as most today do not have a bishop officiating.
Honestly, is this or isn’t this the 500th time a Catholic has answered that demand on the religion forum?
And this from somebody who CLAIMS to be a former Catholic. Reminds me of those folks who call in talk shows and say, “I was a republican all my life until blah blah blah...”
Hard to believe them, too.
I thought that apostolic succession is what makes priests able to change the bread into flesh ??So sounds like they had bread in memory of Christ as commanded,,
“Are you suggesting that Paul felt we needed to be worthy simply to eat?”
Based on about 30 rounds in the ring with annalex on this one, I’d say you are referring to 1 Cor 11: “28 Let a person examine himself, then, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself.”
1 Cor 8-10 discuss our behavior in the body of Christ - the church.
8 introduces “4Therefore, as to the eating of food offered to idols” and continues, “11And so by your knowledge this weak person is destroyed, the brother for whom Christ died. 12Thus, sinning against your brothers and wounding their conscience when it is weak, you sin against Christ.”
If we sin against our brother, we sin against Christ.
In 9, Paul points out that he gives up his rights, “Nevertheless, we have not made use of this right, but we endure anything rather than put an obstacle in the way of the gospel of Christ.”
In 10, Paul continues, “18Consider the people of Israel: are not those who eat the sacrifices participants in the altar? 19What do I imply then? That food offered to idols is anything, or that an idol is anything? 20No, I imply that what pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God. I do not want you to be participants with demons.”
It isn’t that the food offered has any value in itself, but it is offered to demons, and to take it is to participate in demon worship. So he concludes, “31So, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God. 32 Give no offense to Jews or to Greeks or to the church of God, 33just as I try to please everyone in everything I do, not seeking my own advantage, but that of many, that they may be saved.”
In 11, the Communion is being abused: “20When you come together, it is not the Lord’s supper that you eat. 21For in eating, each one goes ahead with his own meal. One goes hungry, another gets drunk. 22What! Do you not have houses to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God and humiliate those who have nothing?”
They were ignoring each other and even getting drunk during communion. They despised the church of God and humiliated their poorer brothers.
“29For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself.”
Not the flesh of Jesus in Eucharist, since his discussion is about taking care of each other, because we are one. But discerning that fact being one in Christ means harming our brother is harming Christ. “33So then, my brothers, when you come together to eat, wait for one another— 34 if anyone is hungry, let him eat at home—so that when you come together it will not be for judgment.”
If you wish to avoid the judgment of not discerning the body, then “when you come together to eat, wait for one another— 34 if anyone is hungry, let him eat at home”.
In the next 3 chapters, he continues to discuss the body of Christ, but spiritual gifts: “ 14For the body does not consist of one member but of many. 15If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” that would not make it any less a part of the body.” in Chapter 12, and “The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up” in 14.
We are one body in Christ. And THAT is the body we need to discern to avoid punishment, for “my brothers, when you come together to eat, wait for one another— 34 if anyone is hungry, let him eat at home—so that when you come together it will not be for judgment.”
Again, that is MOPIOS, or perhaps more accurately a well taught interpretation of scripture in Protestant circles.
Catholics may be required to disagree due to ‘sacred tradition’, but it doesn’t seem an unreasonable interpretation, or one that twists the plain meaning of scripture.