To: annalex; Mr Rogers; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; esquirette; Quix; Alamo-Girl
Matter of fact, there was a good convergence of the Catholic and Lutheran perspectives on justification acheived about 10 years agoFrom what I've read from Lutherans it was ok till you got to the appendix at which time most conservative Lutherans rejected the document.
My problem with Protestant arguments is that I don’t think they reflect the scripture. It is hard to argue against a negative. This is why I keep pounding the scriptural aspect of this issue.
Then you have not really studied the Protestant arguments. As I said earlier, it's an exegetical argument based on a type of hermeneutic.
How can you argue, for example, that the judgement is not by works?
Through harmonizing Scripture. Protestants do not disagree that we will be judged by our works but those judgements do not effect our justification rather our reward.
2,348 posted on
01/12/2010 7:32:15 PM PST by
the_conscience
(True Americans do not insist on politically correct speech codes.)
To: the_conscience; Mr Rogers; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; esquirette; Quix; Alamo-Girl
harmonizing Scripture There is nothing in the scripture to be "harmonized". It is in harmony as written. The Protestants need the "exegetical argument based on a type of hermeneutic" (gosh!) because they never take the scripture at its plain, self evident to all, meaning.
2,351 posted on
01/12/2010 7:38:22 PM PST by
annalex
(http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
To: the_conscience
Through harmonizing Scripture. Protestants do not disagree that we will be judged by our works but those judgements do not effect our justification rather our reward That does not agree with Matthew 25.
2,432 posted on
01/12/2010 9:59:00 PM PST by
kosta50
(Don't look up -- the truth is all around you.)
To: the_conscience
Protestants do not disagree that we will be judged by our works but those judgements do not effect our justification rather our reward. Amen! Rome's denial of that fact resulted in the Reformation.
We are saved by Christ's righteousness and good works and obedience, all mercifully imputed to us, and by not our own righteousness, good works or obedience. If that were not true, then salvation would be based on debt instead of mercy.
2,450 posted on
01/12/2010 11:36:15 PM PST by
Dr. Eckleburg
("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
To: the_conscience; Forest Keeper; HarleyD; esquirette; Dr. Eckleburg; annalex; Petronski
Through harmonizing Scripture. Protestants do not disagree that we will be judged by our works but those judgements do not effect our justification rather our reward.
Really? Is that what all Protestants believe? That you will be judged by your good works and that will determine where you go?
2,468 posted on
01/13/2010 3:16:21 AM PST by
Cronos
(Philipp2:12, 2Cor5:10, Rom2:6, Matt7:21, Matt22:14, Lu12:42-46,John15:1-10,Rev2:4-5,Rev22:19)
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