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To: NoGrayZone
"You must have googled the same things I did. NO WHERE do those versus tell us TO PRAY TO THEM!"

You are constrained by the English language and your understanding of the subject. You are confusing the act of prayer with the act of worship. These are clearly not the same so you cannot continue to use them interchangeably. Prayer is the application of the mind to Divine things, not merely to acquire a knowledge of them but to make use of such knowledge as a means of union with God. This may be done by acts of praise and thanksgiving, but petition is the principal act of prayer. The words used to express it in Scripture are: to call up (Genesis 4:26); to intercede (Job 22:10); to mediate (Isaiah 53:10); to consult (1 Samuel 28:6); to beseech (Exodus 32:11); and, very commonly, to cry out to.

Additionally, both worship and veneration are not absolutely constrained by a finite list of thou shalls and thou shall nots. Because one is not specifically commanded to pray via a saint does not prohibit it.

1,087 posted on 01/09/2010 2:16:32 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law
Because one is not specifically commanded to pray via a saint does not prohibit it.

lol, lol

1,089 posted on 01/09/2010 2:19:19 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Natural Law

you really should see this


1,090 posted on 01/09/2010 2:20:43 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Natural Law
"You are constrained by the English language and your understanding of the subject."

Sorry to be so forward, but you are WRONG. If God wanted us to pray to Saints or to Mary, He would have explicitly said so in the Bible.

Instead He explicitly stated NO ONE GETS TO HIM EXCEPT THROUGH HIS SON, JESUS CHRIST. PERIOD, END OF STORY.

Everything else is man-made.....and we ALL know what man brings to the table.

1,096 posted on 01/09/2010 2:38:06 PM PST by NoGrayZone (SARAH PALIN IS MY CUP OF TEA!)
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