Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience
I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?
I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?
Scripture also says that Jesus is the only one who can reveal the Father ,thus it was Jesus who revealed the Father to Blessed Faustina
Matthew 11:27- “All things are delivered to me by my Father. And no one knoweth the Son, but the Father: neither doth any one know the Father, but the Son, and he to whom it shall please the Son to reveal him.”
When you read some of the things Blessed Faustina wrote it’s easy to understand why our Blessed Lord would be pleased.
From Saint Faustina...
“I feel tremendous pain when I see the sufferings of my neighbours. All my neighbours’ sufferings reverberate in my own heart; I carry their anguish in my heart in such a way that it even physically destroys me. I would like all their sorrows to fall upon me, in order to relieve my neighbour” (Diary, p. 365).
Yes!!! Always in complete harmony!
I believe God the Father is creator of ALL. I believe Jesus Christ is His only begotten Son who has died for our sins to be forgiven. And I believe the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit which He sends forth to us....
Matthew 3:16 - And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Kind of like that of a husband and wife...Matthew 19:4-6 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
There are probably many things we agree upon,dear brother. As far as disagreements go, I try(and fail sometimes) to keep in mind that everyone's journey is different and find myself devoting more and more time to prayer rather than arguing to the point I lose my temper(which I also fail too often)
Yes, I would agree.
The Catechism of the Church does not talk about a sacrifice for sin. You cannot point to one line item in the Catechism where it does. New Advent specifically talks about the fact that the Catholic Church no longer believes as the early church fathers that Christ's death was a sacrifice for sin. Instead, the is through the Euchirist when Catholics "drink the blood". This is contrary to the teachings of the early Church and scripture.
Instead of going through the rest of your points, let me ask you one question: Do you believe Christ faced the wrath of God on the cross as a punishment for our sins and His blood was spilled as atoning for our sins?
All that such an imaginary creature can know of a cube is its two-dimensional shadow.
I think that C.S. Lewis said it first, and more skillfully :)
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You know that in space you can move in three ways - to left or right, backwards or forwards, up or down. Every direction is either one of these three or a compromise between them. They are called the three Dimensions. Now notice :his. If you are using only one dimension, you could draw only a straight line. If you are using two; you could draw a figure: say, a square. And a square is made up of four straight lines. Now a step further. If you have three dimensions, you can then build what we call a solid body: say, a cube - a thing like a dice or a lump of sugar. And a cube is made up of six squares.
Do you see the point? A world of one dimension would be a straight line. In a two-dimensional world, you still get straight lines, but many lines make one figure. In a three-dimensional world, you still get figures but many figures make one solid body. In other words, as you advance to more real and more complicated levels, you do not leave behind you the things you found on the simpler levels: you still have them, but combined in new ways - in ways you could not imagine if you knew only the simpler levels.
Now the Christian account of God involves just the same principle. The human level is a simple and rather empty level. On the human level one person is one being, and any two persons are two separate beings - just as, in two dimensions (say on a flat sheet of paper) one square is one figure, and any two squares are two separate figures. On the Divine level you still find personalities; but up there you find them combined in new ways which we, who do not live on that level, cannot imagine. In God's dimension, so to speak, you find a being who is three Persons while remaining one Being, just as a cube is six squares while remaining one cube. Of course we cannot fully conceive a Being like that: just as, if we were so made that we perceived only two dimensions in space we could never properly imagine a cube. But we can get a sort of faint notion of it. And when we do, we are then, for the first time in our lives, getting some positive idea, however faint, of something super-personal - something more than a person. It is something we could never have guessed, and yet, once we have been told, one almost feels one ought to have been able to guess it because it fits in so well with all the things we know already.
C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity
Too bad there is no scripture in there.
I understand that you were looking for scripture only, but I felt that it was polite to include you in my reply since you were part of the original side-conversation (with Petronski & Mr Rogers) to which I was replying.
“”The Catechism of the Church does not talk about a sacrifice for sin. You cannot point to one line item in the Catechism where it does.””
From the Catechism
http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p122a4p2.htm
Christ’s death is the unique and definitive sacrifice
613 Christ’s death is both the Paschal sacrifice that accomplishes the definitive redemption of men, through “the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world”,439 and the sacrifice of the New Covenant, which restores man to communion with God by reconciling him to God through the “blood of the covenant, which was poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins”.440
614 This sacrifice of Christ is unique; it completes and surpasses all other sacrifices.441 First, it is a gift from God the Father himself, for the Father handed his Son over to sinners in order to reconcile us with himself. At the same time it is the offering of the Son of God made man, who in freedom and love offered his life to his Father through the Holy Spirit in reparation for our disobedience.442
So Sagan was a punk!
Thanks for that reference. I’d forgotten it completely.
Could I see the passage in New Advent you are referring to, Harley?
We see now through a glass in a dark manner; but then face to face. Now I know in part; but then I shall know even as I am known (1 Corinthians 13:12)
Bug crawling up a cube.
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. – Isaiah 9:6
Piping up here, if ya don't mind...God says he will remember our sins no more and that as far as the east is from the west so far has he removed our sins from us. An "expiation" would be a covering, but a "propitiation" is much more. It means a satisfactory payment. Sins are not just covered by the blood of animals as in the OT sacrifices, but are taken away by the "once-for-all" sacrifice of the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ. Just thought I would add that in, too.
MD...hope you're feeling better soon...Mucinex always helped me, FWIW.
Oh, wait. Yes, I can.
The point is if we are "healed or saved" by grace we will look to Christ, repent, obey and believe.
I'm always amazed the Arminian offers Ephesians 1 as some kind of rebuttal for election when the doctrine is contained in every word, if read with eyes to see...
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
God "made us accepted." We didn't make ourselves accepted by anything in ourselves. That's the error of Rome that Arminians sadly embrace.
After awhile the Arminian argument simply looks ungrateful and a bit arrogant -- "I did it." Or at the very least -- "I permitted it."
The concept is of God renovating the heart; the core of a person?s being, by implanting a new principle of desire, purpose, and action, a dynamic that finds expression in positive response to the gospel and its Christ. The ordinary context of new birth is one of effectual calling?that is, confrontation with the gospel and illumination as to its truth and significance as a message from God to oneself. Regeneration is monergistic: that is, entirely the work of God the Holy Spirit and is always the decisive element in effectual calling. It raises the elect among the spiritually dead to new life in Christ (Eph. 2:1-10).
Regeneration is a transition from spiritual death to spiritual life and conscious, intentional, active faith in Christ is its immediate fruit, not its immediate cause...
Amen!!!
Interesting that you use Mormon terminology when you post
I like the example of the egg, it has 3 parts but it is one..shell, white and yoke
St Patrick used the shamrock ..
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