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Who are the Catholics: The Orthodox or The Romanists, or both?
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Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience

I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?

I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?


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To: Alamo-Girl

And thank you for your witness.


621 posted on 01/07/2010 9:27:19 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

I find your assumptions and constructions on reality on those scores

GROSSLY FLAWED.

LOL.


622 posted on 01/07/2010 9:31:44 PM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: annalex; the_conscience; HarleyD; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; wmfights; Quix; 1000 silverlings
God wants all our prayers. Prayers to Mary and assorted saints are, at best, ignored by God.

Worst case, is worse.

623 posted on 01/07/2010 9:34:43 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Quix

Scripture tells us that the Spirit blows where He wills.

And that can include among “Vatican affiliates”

It really isn’t for us to assess the evidence of what is above or below average because we don’t know what God’s “average” is and His average is the only gauge that matters.


624 posted on 01/07/2010 9:37:16 PM PST by Running On Empty ( The three sorriest words: "It's too late")
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To: annalex; Dr. North; Quix; Dr. Eckleburg; Alex Murphy; Mad Dawg
Well now, that's fascinating!

Let's compare annalex's words with the Scripture he posted.

annalex:

Yet, it is by the works that we are justified and saved, as the Scripture plainly teaches.
Scripture:
8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, for it is the gift of God; 9 Not of works, that no man may glory.
Now I may be having one of those theological fantasies but it appears to me that I see a direct contradiction between what annalex claims and what Scripture states.
625 posted on 01/07/2010 9:37:16 PM PST by the_conscience (I'm a bigot: Against Jihadists and those who support despotism of any kind.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I know you belief is in a mean god, but I am fortunate not to share your belief.


626 posted on 01/07/2010 9:37:57 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: the_conscience; Dr. North; Quix; Dr. Eckleburg; Alex Murphy; Mad Dawg

Yes...

What compelled you to omit the concluding verse from Eph. 2?

And what happened to Romans, Matthews and James that are also making the same point I made?


627 posted on 01/07/2010 9:42:27 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

I suppose you must think Mark 16:16 is “mean,” too?


628 posted on 01/07/2010 9:43:27 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: the_conscience
"That being the case, the hierarchy should reflect those religions that directly conceived those ideals."

I'm glad you recognize and acknowledge that the country and American culture was founded largely by those fleeing Protestant tyrannies. Catholics played a very significant role in the founding.

629 posted on 01/07/2010 9:44:45 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Cvengr
...it was the Catholic claim that he used the same word for large rock as small rock...

No, it is not.

There is no "large rock" and "small rock" in Christ's words.

The distinction is rooted in an ignorance of Aramaic and Greek, feigned or real.

630 posted on 01/07/2010 9:45:45 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"Prayers to Mary and assorted saints are, at best, ignored by God."

You have gone way beyond speaking for Catholics and the Catholic Church. You are now speaking for God?

631 posted on 01/07/2010 9:47:03 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: annalex
The ideas that the Bible is the only rule of faith,

Not to be confused with acknowledging the Word of God as provided in the Canon of Scripture is sufficient for every good work.

that salvation comes by faith alone,

Not to be confused with acknowledging that by faith alone in Christ alone the believer is positionally sanctified and mankind is eternally saved through the work of God.

that salvation is accomplished at the point of one-time conversion

Not to be confused with acknowledging that sanctification continues through faith in Christ by the grace and work of God the Holy Spirit glorifying the Son.

632 posted on 01/07/2010 9:47:37 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Mark 16:16 is the Catholic teaching. You have to be baptized and believe the entirety of the Catholic Church to be saved. Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus.

The idea that God sorts out our prayer by whether Mary is in them is, however, a belief in a mean god, and is not supported by any scripture.


633 posted on 01/07/2010 9:48:35 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex; Dr. North; Quix; Dr. Eckleburg; Alex Murphy; Mad Dawg

I’ll be more than happy to address those verses but the stark reality of the immediate contradiction left me in awe.

I’ll give you the first shot to reconcile your belief and the Scripture cited.


634 posted on 01/07/2010 9:49:03 PM PST by the_conscience (I'm a bigot: Against Jihadists and those who support despotism of any kind.)
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To: Cvengr

Yes, these paraphrases are not scriptural either.


635 posted on 01/07/2010 9:50:29 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: the_conscience

There is no contradiction. If you perceive one, point it out, and I’ll address it tomorrow.


636 posted on 01/07/2010 9:52:29 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex; the_conscience; Dr. North; Quix; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; HarleyD; Frumanchu; RnMomof7; ...
MadDawg is, as always right, and so am I.

The humility is so thick that you can cut it with a knife. I, however, recommend using a shovel. And waders.


637 posted on 01/07/2010 9:54:23 PM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: Natural Law; the_conscience
I'm glad you recognize and acknowledge that the country and American culture was founded largely by those fleeing Protestant tyrannies. Catholics played a very significant role in the founding.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!

638 posted on 01/07/2010 9:56:20 PM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

Cute. And Catholics are just like Don Corleone, too.


639 posted on 01/07/2010 9:58:33 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

Those very “fantasies”, as you say, are what saved this undeserving soul....and those of my family. It’s very close to insulting more than me in how you have made your statement. Might be a good idea to be cautious in how you are presenting your case.


640 posted on 01/07/2010 10:09:16 PM PST by caww
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