And escape the wrath of the older dog
Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience
I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?
I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?
Stretch Pelousy and Patrick Kennedy both are experiencing what it's like when a bishop starts putting the squeeze on.
If that's what you want to believe, knock yourself out.
Myself, I'll stick with Christianity, thanks.
bookmark.
Hey, Bro,
you SHOULD KNOW, imho,
that you can/may send me anything . . . that The Lord would suggest worth your sending . . .
[that should rule out Jihadi bombs] LOL.
I’ll likely even read most of whatever you send.
Am 20 pages into that MYSTERIES book.
There’s an INCREDIBLE amount of mythology built up around/about Mary that I had no idea was as extensive and as elaborate as it is.
Boggles my mind.
Noted. I will find more appropriate means to characterize intentionally false and hurtful posts without making it personal.
The usual meme about that assumes that "Easter" is the actual name of the holiday and doesn't consider that, in most languages, the name of the holiday is derived from "pascha" -- i.e., pascal, i.e., passover. One also has to assume that the neo-pagan traditions surrounding it (eggs, rabbits, etc.) are of Catholic origin, vice Anglo-Saxon origin.
I know, as for myself, I've tried to correct that before, but after a while, one has to ask, "Why bother?"
Honestly, I can think of a number four:
4. Brainwashing
And I would vote for that #4, also.
“Others however, having worked with animals or sailed boats, understand the control admits of delicacy and finesse, and even appears sometimes to be yielding. I get the boat where I want her to go by letting her do what she wants and by persuading her, by trimming the sails, using the rudder to change her hydrodynamic profile, that she wants what I want.”
One of my dogs is a Border Collie, and I’ve had one around for most of my adult life. I don’t try to train them or do trials - no facilities and no real desire. But I know they are the Lord’s own dogs, for God wants us to be Border Collies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYK-FbQPQ_Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANDW4-tBxnw
You give a Border Collie goals, and help, but you cannot control every move. Even my own Border Collie makes his own decisions...he tries to figure out the goal, and then achieve it.
In my view, some of the best threads become quite long but towards the end they winnow down to serious debate often having little to do with the original article. Over the years, I've noticed that Forest Keeper and kosta50 tend to show up late on the thread and engage in very informative debate.
And for that, I am grateful indeed.
And escape the wrath of the older dog
The same John of Damascus who argued in favor of the use of images also made the Easter's transformation of the celebration of spring clear in the second verse of his very great hymn:
Come, ye faithful, raise the strain
of triumphant gladness!
God hath brought his Israel
into joy from sadness:
loosed from Pharoah's bitter yoke
Jacob's sons and daughters,
led them with unmoistened foot
through the Red Sea waters.
'Tis the spring of souls today:
Christ hath burst his prison,
and from three days' sleep in death
as a sun hath risen;
all the winter of our sins,
long and dark, is flying
from his light, to whom we give
laud and praise undying.
Now the queen of seasons, bright
with the day of splendor,
with the royal feast of feasts,
comes its joy to render;
comes to glad Jerusalem,
who with true affection
welcomes in unwearied strains
Jesus' resurrection.
Neither might the gates of death,
nor the tomb's dark portal,
nor the watchers, nor the seal
hold thee as a mortal:
but today amidst the twelve
thou didst stand, bestowing
that thy peace which evermore
passeth human knowing.
Alleluia now we cry
to our King Immortal,
who triumphant burst the bars
of the tomb's dark portal;
alleluia, with the Son
God the Father praising;
alleluia yet again
to the Spirit raising.
Words: John of Damascus (ca. 675-749), 750;
trans. John Mason Neale (1818-1866), 1853 When we start our RCIA classes in the Fall, I note the moons and count the moons until the first full moon after the vernal equinox. Time and seasons are sanctified and made causes for rejoicing by Christ, and among the many purposes of Spring, surely our delight is one of them.
True. I respect both of these gentlemen very much. They have great demeanour and a great amount of very worthy contribution to a Christian forum. I have learned much from them both and am grateful to them for that learning.
10-4! BCs are the most amazing dogs in the world.
I was responding to an extremely offensive (to me and my congregation--sadly not so untrue of all Pentecostal/Charismatic congregations) accusation that my congregation had a stage for entertainment, period . . . as though only entertainment went on in my congregational worship and that only my congregation had such a stage.
If it wasn't for the Eucharist, there really and truly wouldn't be that much substantially different between most Protestant services and Catholic Masses.
And I'm sorry if somebody disrespected your services. Just because people disrespect our liturgies doesn't give us the right to act in kind.
Disciplining folks
What are you suggest "The Vatican" do? Scour the world-wide web, seek out heresy, go find the folks and scold them? Should an inquisitor find EVERY SINGLE website that disagrees with the Catechism and publicly excoriate them?
How would the Church get any good work done, if it concentrated on policing the blogosphere and the web? The Church will always have those who want to remake her in their own image, who want to injure her, doing their best to damage the message of Christ's Redeeming Love for all mankind.
There are 6 billion people on earth. Please. I just don't think the Church is interested in following your dictates. Or anyone else's in the Protestant cohort. Do you know any person who deliberately seeks to find Catholics in order to tell them how wrong they are, IN REAL LIFE? Either Protestant or Catholic?
4. Brainwashing, too,
SLICES BOTH WAYS.
My mother lives in Greenville. Which church? (Just for curiosity sake)
I was somewhat familiar with Baptist development. I have some Free-Will Baptists in my family and a cousin who used to be a United Baptist preacher (from waaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in the hills in KY). (A note: one of this cousin's daughters converted to Catholicism and is doing a PhD in Theology at St. Louis University and a couple of years later, he and his other daughter became high church Episcopals -- he wasn't ready to make the full plunge into the Tiber -- maybe one day... BTW, his wife is still a Baptist, last time I checked)
Back to Leland, if you find something else, I'd be interested to hear.
The problem is that many see the Catholic Church as an Orwellian boogeyman and not as the teaching and nurturing organization that it is. Because many of the Calvin and Protestant strains of Christianity are based upon hellfire and damnation they project that belief onto the Catholic Church. Given the opportunity it is what their churches would become and they fear the power in the hands of others.
The kindest characterization is that they were bent as children to hate the Catholics and Catholic Church and the vitriol we see is Pavlovian, and not a product of thought, reason or even Christian values.
Before John of Damascus was Isaiah. Isaiah 1 whole chapter but in particular verse 14. The moon is NOT relevant in the occurrence of the Spring equinox. And any Christian should know that when the flesh dies the soul returns to the Maker that sent it. It was the 'passover' death of the perfect Lamb that gives anyone who will the act of redemption for life eternal.
It is a wee bit curious how that there are prophecies given to the children of light in days (solar) and then about those in terms of months (lunar). Now you can attribute it to a state of 'fear', but I will call it reverence to appointed times that flesh men willingly ignore.
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