Who are the Catholics: The Orthodox or The Romanists, or both?

Me

[the_conscience]

I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?

I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?

[Mad Dawg]

Happily, the NAB (http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/_INDEX.HTM) is a pretty good translation. I’ve pinged annalex so he can go thru the roof in fury at that statement!

Hey. ME too! I never miss a chance to diss the NAB.

[Judith Anne]

Thank you for your insights, Vlad. I appreciate your viewpoint on a lot of things.

[Mr Rogers]

William Tyndale’s translation of the same passage:

37 When they hearde this they were pricked in their hertes and sayd vnto Peter and vnto the other Apostles: Ye men and brethre what shall we do? 38 Peter sayde vnto them: repent and be baptised every one of you in the name of Iesus Christ for the remission of synnes and ye shall receave the gyfte of the holy goost. 39 For ye promyse was made vnto you and to youre chyldre and to all that are afarre even as many as ye Lorde oure God shall call. 40 And with many other wordes bare he witnes and exhorted them sayinge: Save youre selves from this vntowarde generacion. 41 Then they that gladly receaved his preachynge were baptised: and the same daye ther were added vnto them aboute thre thousande soules.

THAT look like an original from the time...and it also looks like what the KJV was looking at.

http://wesley.nnu.edu/biblical_studies/tyndale/

[Mr Rogers]

Of course.

[Iscool]

That would be so hilarious, but now all the anti-Church members will jump on board and say INDEED, how do you know that +Jerome was bornin c 347 -- that's told to you by the SEE's historians :-P

That's an excellent point...Can you provide his birth certificate...

Which reminds me, I humbly admit I erred...It was that character you call Esebius who sent off 50 copies to Constantine...

[AnAmericanMother]

Well, dang nabbit, don't leave me out!

I will take a back seat to nobody in my dislike, nay, loathing, of the NAB. It is truly awful - lacking in accuracy AND poetry (so what's left - usually one sacrifices meaning for felicity, or vice versa . . . but BOTH!?!?!??).

Fortunately I have an iPhone app with the entire Bible in English (Douay-Rheims) and Latin (Vulgate), so I can follow along and see what it is they were SUPPOSED to have read -- and in decent English, too.

[AnAmericanMother]

. . . of course, all the little old ladies think I'm texting in church.

"Offer it up!"

[Mr Rogers]

Is it just me, or is there just something about “the gyfte of the holy goost”!

[Iscool]

We don't consider heretic groups like Gnostics or Paulicians as Christians -- unless your group derives from these.

Well there you go...I'm sure they didn't consider your crew as Christians either...But then you don't get to decide, do you

From what I see of history, your religion did it's best to kill them off (unsuccessfully) and stole their name...

[Mr Rogers]

Examples of the NAB inaccuracy? Apart from lacking “the gyfte of the holy goost”...;>)

[xone]

It is possible that the Church would not have Luther today because he was such a virulent anti Semite.

No, since that isn't a bar. Witness Pelosi and pals who worship despite their positions on the current Jews in Israel. The Catholic Church's positions on key doctrinal elements ML protested about remain.

The abuses identified by Luther have long sense been cleansed by the Church itself.

There is no evidence to suggest it would have happened without the Reformation.

There was no need of a religious war that killed a significant percentage of central Europe.

And yet the 'Church' participated nonetheless.

[Cronos]

So, Calvin is never quoted at your group? You aren’t Presbyterians? As it seems that Presbyterians do bring up Calvin and OPC do worship him. You don’t? What kind of Presbyterian is that?

[netmilsmom]

Wow!
That was spot on.

[Cronos]

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God

Jesus despised THE SHAME. He didn't, as you said "The cross was a shame and a curse to God...You think He wants to be reminded of the pain and shame He went thru??? Even after He said, 'It is finished??? He might figure you guys are mocking Him... " -- as you said Heb Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

[Cronos]

From what I see of history, your religion did it's best to kill them off (unsuccessfully) and stole their name...

Shoot and move -- so do you consider Gnostics to be true Christians?

[AnAmericanMother]

Here's an overview - http://www.bible-researcher.com/nab.html

The major problems are "dynamic equivalence" and "inclusive language". The former leads to paraphrase and commentary, the second to derision.

[Mr Rogers]

The review says, “it employed “dynamic equivalence” in places for the sake of gender-neutral language.”

Depending on where and why, gender-neutral language can be reasonable or ridiculous. On the whole, I prefer a more literal approach and to let the modern reader appreciate the original, but I’ll admit the first Bible I used was the Living Bible. And at 12-13, that was what I needed.

FWIW, I prefer the RSV/ESV for general reading, the NASB for comparing verse-by-verse or with a commentary, and the (heresy!) New English Bible for reading big chunks (10-20 chapters) at once.

In the end, a good commentary is needed for those of us who don’t read Greek or Hebrew. Sometimes there isn’t a good way to translate the meaning without a lot of commentary to explain the nuances. Cheers!

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Presbyterians don’t have “bishops,” Mark.

Your comments are incorrect...again

[Dr. Eckleburg]

So, does that say that the OPC (Orthodox Presbyterian church) keeps a pentagram in their meeting place?

"Meeting place? You mean "church?"

As these many threads attest, the difference between Christians' argument and papists' argument is that Christians reference actual RCC doctrines, practices, rituals, beliefs and teaching to bolster and illustrate their contention that the RCC is riddled with anti-Scriptural paganism and error.

Whereas the papists employ sarcastic gibberish like above and call it their defense of their faith. No doubt because neither Roman Catholic criticisms nor much of Roman Catholic theology can be aligned with God's holy word.

From a Roman Catholic's website, what is this picture telling us?

[Iscool]

I think the guys doing the KJV saw what the Greek said and in conflicted with their theology so they produced “what is behind” to obscure it. That’s why I asked about the DR, because the plain meaning of Scripture is less scandalous to Catholics than to Protestants.

Problem with your theory is that the KJV translation of that verse is supported thru-out the scriptures...Jesus paid the ultimate price and He payed all of it...We do not have to suffer to help Jesus pay for our salvation...