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Who are the Catholics: The Orthodox or The Romanists, or both?
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Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience

I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?

I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?


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To: LowOiL

I never said it was or was not photoshopped.

I said that, unless Dr. Eckleburg took the photos, she was not in a position to authenticate them as photoshop-free.


5,261 posted on 01/20/2010 12:47:49 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Tax-chick
Jes' sayin' ...

You've got a sailor, who's getting into Viking stuff.

Imagine this:

Painted white, with a red bow stripe.

5,262 posted on 01/20/2010 12:56:54 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: LowOiL
"Mary is lifted on a cloud above everyone else. Almost like a Queen."

And your Da Vinci Code interpretation of this is what???? That is a secret symbol instead of an incredible piece of Church Art?

5,263 posted on 01/20/2010 12:57:14 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Petronski

And let’s not forget that photoshop only means that the pictures themselves have been altered.

Without any perspective for scale or location, some of the pictures could be from anywhere.

What’s to stop me from going to a friend’s farm, chopping off the head of a chicken, hanging the chicken upside down on a wall, drawing a pentagram above it, taking a picture and claiming that the picture was taken at the local Machenite church?


5,264 posted on 01/20/2010 12:57:14 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Tax-chick

By the way, Tax-chick, Mel Gibson is planning on making a movie in Old Norse and Old English soon.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1244769/Mel-Gibson-plans-recreate-Viking-invasion-England-Scotland-latest-movie.html

I once studied Old English and Old Norse at the same time. I don’t advise that anyone do that. Kennings are a lot of fun though. So are Old English riddles.


5,265 posted on 01/20/2010 1:00:16 PM PST by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: ArrogantBustard

Anoreth could have drawn that.


5,266 posted on 01/20/2010 1:01:52 PM PST by Tax-chick (May mercy, peace, and love be multiplied to you.)
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To: LowOiL

You wrote:

“Vladimir998 now also says he/she...”

He.

“...has seen a couple of these before.”

Which ones specifically?

“So I guess it is safe to assume it was not altered by anyone. Right!”

Again, which ones are we talking about?


5,267 posted on 01/20/2010 1:02:27 PM PST by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: esquirette
I saw it. So what?

Protestants have this fantasy of the Catholic Church which is fueled by non-Catholic run media and Protestant written hsitory text books. In this vision th4 Church is this wonderful but awful organization more like the KGB than anything else on earth.

It is of course, nonsense. Personally I think "imprimatur" is Latin for "what the heck!"

As I said, if you view the making and keeping of promises a loss of sovereignty, then this passage will give you the heebie jeebies. I happen to view making commitments and showing mercy as the perfection of freedom. So I have a different reaction.

5,268 posted on 01/20/2010 1:02:33 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Natural Law

The anti-Catholics do not seem to understand that the Assumption of the Blessed Mother was a result of the Power and Love of GOD. They simply do not have enough faith to believe that God is capable of assuming someone, body and soul, into Heaven. It’s no different from their inability to believe that God can change the substance of the Eucharist.

They actually don’t have faith at all, they have a remedial grasp of logic.


5,269 posted on 01/20/2010 1:04:27 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: vladimir998

That sounds like the sort of thing Anoreth would love. I don’t go for the terrifically violent movies, myself, being a very Staid Older Lady.

We used to play with kennings in literature classes in college. I should look some up to quiz my sons at the dinner table ... that would be a Fun Game.


5,270 posted on 01/20/2010 1:06:07 PM PST by Tax-chick (May mercy, peace, and love be multiplied to you.)
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To: Tax-chick

Please pass on to her the idea of a longship in USCG colours.


5,271 posted on 01/20/2010 1:08:24 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Tax-chick; Anoreth
That sounds like the sort of thing Anoreth would love. I don’t go for the terrifically violent movies, myself, being a very Staid Older Lady.

What about when you threatened to bludgeon Anoreth with frozen food?

5,272 posted on 01/20/2010 1:08:59 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; 1000 silverlings; HarleyD
Look at the response to Brit Hume just saying the name of Christ.. The gospel has gone forth for generation yet men still hate the name of Christ.

Amen, and thanks for the kind words and great scripture. :) I saw Brit do several interviews after his infamous Tiger remarks and in every case I could see these scriptures going through his head. By his wry smiling I could see him thinking: "We read that the world will hate us for our faith, but when we see it and experience it ourselves so explicitly and so publicly it's like "Wow". :)

I'm sure it was not lost on Brit that the hatred he received actually went toward proving Brit right! The word of God is perfect and just as true today as when it was given.

5,273 posted on 01/20/2010 1:11:25 PM PST by Forest Keeper ((It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.))
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To: Alamo-Girl

You wrote:

“That the art, if indeed representing Mary, doesn’t bother you is irrelevant to the fact that it bothers me.”

True, but objectively no Christian should be bothered by a piece of art that depicts Mary missing her son. Being bothered in that way would indicate either an unchristian sentiment or a dislike of art.


5,274 posted on 01/20/2010 1:37:46 PM PST by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: Mad Dawg
But we've seen in this thread how the noisiest of our critics really aren't concerned with truth.

This thread and others.

Bottom line is that even if I had doubts about Holy Mother Church, the relentless attacks demonstrate more than anything else that She must be doing SOMETHING right!!!

5,275 posted on 01/20/2010 2:19:24 PM PST by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: ArrogantBustard; Anoreth; wagglebee

#5271 passed to you, Petunia. Maybe you could incorporate a sail, or some bearded seamen with axes, in the t-shirt design. Btw, I’ll buy one ;-).

And we resolved the pork roast issue amicably, thanks.


5,276 posted on 01/20/2010 2:26:56 PM PST by Tax-chick (May mercy, peace, and love be multiplied to you.)
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To: Tax-chick; Anoreth
Viking shields were round .... perfectly suited to this:

And if this

is acceptable, surely a longship ...

5,277 posted on 01/20/2010 2:38:06 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: wagglebee; Natural Law

“They simply do not have enough faith to believe that God is capable of assuming someone, body and soul, into Heaven. It’s no different from their inability to believe that God can change the substance of the Eucharist. / They actually don’t have faith at all, they have a remedial grasp of logic.”

Incorrect. Many of us have no problem with ENOCH being assumed, because it suggests so in scripture:

Gen 5:24 Enoch walked with God, and he was not, for God took him.

What many “anti-Catholics” find odd is that such an event - which would qualify as a spectacular miracle - would go unmentioned in scripture. If they mention her presence meeting with disciples in Acts 1 but never again, it seems odd that she A) is Queen of Heaven, Co-XYZ, and B) was assumed to Heaven.

That isn’t a lack of faith or logic. As Wiki has it, “Although the Assumption (Latin: assumptio;, “taken up”) was only relatively recently defined as infallible dogma by the Catholic Church, and in spite of a statement by Epiphanius of Salamis in AD 377 that no one knew of the eventual fate of Mary,[4] apocryphal accounts of the assumption of Mary into heaven have circulated since at least the 4th century.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assumption_of_Mary#History

The assumption doesn’t exactly sound like part of the faith given us once for all by the Apostles. That doesn’t make it false, but it should be obvious why Protestants don’t endorse it as dogma!


5,278 posted on 01/20/2010 2:53:42 PM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Hmm. Easily done, I think.


5,279 posted on 01/20/2010 2:53:59 PM PST by Anoreth (Take his money and his hat - he won't need them where he's gonna go.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Cool train! I wonder if I could get the van done like that ...


5,280 posted on 01/20/2010 3:04:08 PM PST by Tax-chick (May mercy, peace, and love be multiplied to you.)
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