Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience
I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?
I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?
Not “abandon the field” but to withdraw for a time. Perhaps if they have no one to argue with, they will argue with one another....;-D
I give up FR for lent. It’s very hard to lose the information but it helps me with the near occasion of sin on the religion forum.
Sorry I forgot to ping you two when I was listing “Defenders of the Faith...” I guess I need to make a ping list.
/red-face
That doesn’t really make a difference when a person is trying to demonize it, now does it?
Catholicism proposes that God is not sovereign in many ways. Here is one:
“When the priest pronounces the tremendous words of consecration, he reaches up into heaven, brings Christ down from His throne and places Him upon our altar, to be offered up again as the victim for the sins of man. It is a greater power than that of monarch and emperors.”
“It is greater than of saints and angels, greater than that of seraphim and cherubim. Indeed it is greater even than the power of the Virgin Mary. While the Virgin Mary was the human agency by which Christ became incarnate a single time, the priest brings Christ down from heaven and renders him present on our altar as the eternal victim for the sins of man not once, but a thousand times.”
“The priest speaks and lo, Christ the eternal omnipotent God bows his head in humble obedience to the priest’s command.”
“Of what sublime dignity is the office of the Christian priest, who is thus privileged to act as ambassador and Vice Regent of Christ on earth. He continues the assertion ministry of Christ. He teaches the faithful with the authority of Christ. He pardons the penitent sinner with the power of Christ. He offers up again the same sacrifice of adoration and atonement which Christ offered on Calvary. No wonder that the name which spiritual writers are especially fond of applies to the priest, is that of Alter Christus, for the priest is and should be another Christ.”
—Fr. John O’Brien, “The Faith of Millions”
Makes sense.
That’s okay. I’m just dirt under your feet. Don’t give me a second glance. XD
Seriously, we all try our best
“Unless turning people away from the Catholic Church is part of one’s religion”
You say it well. I have thought that many times.
Do you have a link for that? We’ve had some trouble with words being changed from the originals, and need to check.
Well, I’ve had ping lists before, and they are a huge pain to maintain, buncha secretarial work, but not having one is inconvenient. I’m always forgetting people like Cronos, and all y’all.
Thanks!
We offer what we have to give.
They state what is wrong with us.
Who is it that is proclaiming the “Good News”?
“I’m addicted to them, go ahead, laugh”
I see you have taken a sarcastic flap about your last opus from a frequent poster here..
OK—if opus is your style, we’ll all just accept it and move along. We can even enjoy a little humor about it.
Just be sure to come back.
I see that you received a nice welcome from the Moderator when you returned this last time.
Blessings.
Well, Fr. O'Brien proposes that (if your quote is accurate).
No.
Do men have to first ask for these things and then God gives them to them? Or does He first give men eyes to see and ears to hear and a heart of flesh and a renewed mind and then men are enabled to want the things of God?
The latter.
To mistake the order of salvation is to disrespect God's gift of grace and make it , even partially, your own doing, and as Owen says, "to make the cross and grace of Jesus Christ of none effect."
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them." -- Ezediel 36:26-27
"All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him." -- Matthew 11:27"A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
This is why Arminianism is the road back to Rome. It is a works-based salvation, albeit without a lot of the fallderol. But it retains the greatest error of Rome -- that men save themselves by what they do and not by what Christ did, according to God's will, and not their own.
I gave two other examples at post 5121: Madonna and Santa - both originating evidently from msn.com.
To me, that kind of "art" is an insult to the body and blood of Christ.
It doesn't matter to me if that sort of thing does not bother you or anyone else. I'm simply stating my views.
That wasn’t sarcasm, that was laughing at myself, acknowledging my own weakness for good religious discussion. Hard to stay away. Some great posters here.
And I am very touched by everyone’s warm welcome. But when I read Mad Dawg’s post upthread, I remembered why I stayed away, and how pleasant it was....
This is not a teaching of the Catholic Church.
Of course, you do not claim it is.
Nice quote. Some priest wrote a book and it’s suddenly the beliefs of the entire Catholic Church?
Strawman.
We are not required to believe what another Catholic wrote. Just the Bible and the Catechism.
This is not a teaching of the Catholic Church.
Of course, you do not claim it is.
Nah, I just wander by this sort of thing now and then, wondering about people who are driven to search out “bad” information, accurate or not, about a religion other than their own.
I feel sad for them. What a pitiable thing, to be seeking fulfillment in scoring self-perceived “victories” over people who, when it comes down to it, really don’t care what you think anyway.
My son was reading the thread over my shoulder a few minutes ago, and he said, “Shoot, why don’t they do something productive, like study Old Norse and learn to recite the Sagas?” (This is Seaman Anoreth’s latest hobby ;-).
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