Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience
I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?
I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?
Never mind. I can’t even get my eyes to proofread my own posts properly tonight.
Two days of steady reading on this really stupid thread (with some really outstanding comments by some excellent posters) has given me a headache.
I have taken some breaks, but there are other things I need to do. And if someone doesn’t want to understand, even a post properly made will not help.
May you be blessed in all ways, along with all those you love, by our Lord and Savior, Christ Jesus.
Jean Cauvin, the Martha Coakley of thologians....
DUH! “theologians.”
Good night, all.
"May you be blessed in all ways, along with all those you love, by our Lord and Savior, Christ Jesus."
I don't believe your "blessings". I get plenty enough without needing yours, in which I do not believe.
Not sure if that is a "personal" to be deleted, I just don't know how to say it nicely, or any other way.
I’m not offended. I know that I am sincere.
Ah, but you do repeatedly, Mark
Post for me a single instance of slander, Dr. E. One.
It took me awhile, but I learned how to post within the rules of FR. There's no excuse why Roman Catholics can't learn to do likewise.
Post for me a single instance of slander, Dr. E. One.
The "odd angle" photo was first posted by alamo-girl.
Which odd angle photo? I have lost track. Please post it again so that I know which one.
Even with the "odd angle" the photo is pretty explicit and comports with RC faith and practice as taught by Roman Catholics like John Paul II.
Comport? That is an odd use of the term. Let us examine what it means. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/comport says that: –verb (used with object) 1. to bear or conduct (oneself); behave: He comported himself with dignity.
–verb (used without object) 2. to be in agreement, harmony, or conformity (usually followed by with): His statement does not comport with the facts.
Your statement indicates useage with object. So: this photo conducts itself with RC (Raving Calvinist?) faith and practice. How can a photo conduct itself? Your statements on your photos are equivalent in gibberish as are your statements on the Faith of Jesus Christ.
Deuteronomy 18: 20 But if a prophet presumes to speak in my name an oracle that I have not commanded him to speak, or speaks in the name of other gods, he shall die.' 21 "If you say to yourselves, 'How can we recognize an oracle which the LORD has spoken?', 22 know that, even though a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if his oracle is not fulfilled or verified, it is an oracle which the LORD did not speak. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously, and you shall have no fear of him.
We snicker at Calvin and laugh at his words. We have no fear of him.
Is that better?
Perhaps you should read your Bible for your answer.
I have. I know the answer.
Good night, FRiend. God bless you, and all those you love with peace, protection, love, and wealth, I pray in Christ’s most Holy Name.
Please do not ping me anymore. Thank you.
I can't say what I'd like to say because it would probably be deleted.
I do think you are, nope, can't go there either.
How's about a good night.
Good night.
Kiss your mother with that mouth?
Romans 12: 6 Since we have gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, let us exercise them: 4 if prophecy, in proportion to the faith; 7 if ministry, in ministering; if one is a teacher, in teaching; 8 if one exhorts, in exhortation; if one contributes, in generosity; if one is over others, 5 with diligence; if one does acts of mercy, with cheerfulness. 9 Let love be sincere; hate what is evil, hold on to what is good; 10 love one another with mutual affection; anticipate one another in showing honor.
11 Do not grow slack in zeal, be fervent in spirit, serve the Lord. 12 Rejoice in hope, endure in affliction, persevere in prayer. 13 Contribute to the needs of the holy ones, exercise hospitality.
14 6 Bless those who persecute (you), bless and do not curse them. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice, weep with those who weep. 16 Have the same regard for one another; do not be haughty but associate with the lowly; do not be wise in your own estimation. 17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil; be concerned for what is noble in the sight of all. 18 If possible, on your part, live at peace with all. 19 Beloved, do not look for revenge but leave room for the wrath; for it is written, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord." 20 Rather, "if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals upon his head." 21 Do not be conquered by evil but conquer evil with good.
Who has conquered your soul?
lolol. I'm happy to let any post I make be scrutinized for plagerism. Where I come from that's a big no-no.
Others here usually give a link when they do that, I don't recall ever seeing one from Dr. E.
Even funnier. I've posed hundreds of links for posters who can read with care and discern the truth. Maybe I haven't posted a lot of links to you, but then a writer should know his audience.
More like Karl Marx. He wrote an evil philosophy, neither knowing nor caring of the millions who would subjected to his cruelty. All he cared about was his position in life (power) versus Martin Luther (luxury and wealth) versus Zwingli (mystical soldier boy).
Power, wealth and mysticism. The very heart of the Reformation. And its allure for success.
Please ping me to one of your lengthy posts on this thread that gave a sourced other than scriptural. Thank you. I’ll check back tomorrow.
Some of us have been speculating where you actually come from. Any clues?
I've posed hundreds of links for posters who can read with care and discern the truth.
To be more accurate, you've posted hundreds of links for the assorted gag writers who pose as serious theologians (all of them Calvinists, if I recall correctly). You were surpassingly reluctant to give us the sites for several of your odder pictures. Was it Petronski that finally dug up the site where you got the one in the graveyard? And did you ever disclose the site where you got that shot purportedly outside a church (I think you called it a cathedral)?
Basilica.
"Every tongue which rises against you in judgment you shall condemn" (Isa. 54:17).
We are not to rise against out brother "without cause". Matthew 5:22. ("But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment")
This conversation (debate/discussion) is of great cause. We are to keep rational and learn and debate with vigor. Cause is there.
Umm, this is referring to Jerusalem, not a self professed Christian who spurns the blessing of another Christian with a sneer and a I don't believe your "blessings". I get plenty enough without needing yours, in which I do not believe.
I'm not sure that you wish to refer to the poster as Jerusalem.
We are not to rise against out brother "without cause". Matthew 5:22. ("But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment")
I'm not angry. I'm disappointed that yet another self professed Christian turns out to be a follower of the lord of this world.
A place of holiness and dedicated to the worship of God.
2 Chronicles 23: 1 In the seventh year, Jehoiada took courage and entered a conspiracy with certain captains: Azariah, son of Jehoram; Ishmael, son of Jehohanan; Azariah, son of Obed; Masseiah, son of Adaiah; and Elishaphat, son of Zichri. 2 They journeyed about Judah, gathering the Levites from all the cities of Judah and also the heads of the Israelite families. When they had come to Jerusalem, 3 the whole assembly made a covenant with the king in the house of God. Jehoiada said to them: "Here is the king's son who must reign, as the LORD promised concerning the sons of David. 4 This is what you must do: a third of your number, both priests and Levites, who come in on the sabbath must guard the thresholds, 5 another third must be at the king's palace, and the final third at the Foundation Gate, when all the people will be in the courts of the LORD'S temple.
6 Let no one enter the LORD'S house except the priests and those Levites who are ministering. They may enter because they are holy; but all the other people must observe the prescriptions of the LORD. 7 The Levites shall surround the king on all sides, each with his weapon drawn. Whoever tries to enter the house must be slain. Stay with the king wherever he goes." 8 The Levites and all Judah did just as Jehoiada the priest commanded. Each brought his men, those who were to come in on the sabbath as well as those who were to depart on the sabbath, since Jehoiada the priest had not dismissed any of the divisions. 9 Jehoiada the priest gave the captains the spears, shields and bucklers of King David which were in the house of God. 10 He stationed all the people, each with his spear in hand, from the southern to the northern extremity of the enclosure, around the altar and the temple on the king's behalf. 11 Then they brought out the king's son, set the crown and the insignia upon him, and made him king. Jehoiada and his sons anointed him, and they cried, "Long live the king!"
12 When Athaliah heard the din of the people running and acclaiming the king, she went to the people in the temple of the LORD. 13 1 She looked, and there was the king standing beside his pillar at the entrance, the officers and the trumpeters around him, and all the people of the land rejoicing and blowing trumpets, while the singers with their musical instruments were leading the acclaim. Athaliah tore her garments and cried out, "Treason! treason!" 14 Then Jehoiada the priest sent out the captains who were in command of the army; he said to them: "Take her outside through the ranks, and if anyone tries to follow her, let him die by the sword. For," the priest continued, "you must not put her to death in the LORD'S temple."
15 So they seized her, and when she arrived at the entrance to the Horse Gate of the palace, they put her to death there. 16 Then Jehoiada made a covenant between himself and all the people and the king, that they should be the LORD'S people. 17 And all the people went to the temple of Baal and tore it down. They smashed its altars and images, and they slew Mattan, the priest of Baal, before the altars. 18 Then Jehoiada gave the charge of the LORD'S temple into the hands of the levitical priests, to whom David had assigned turns in the temple for offering the holocausts of the LORD, as is written in the law of Moses, with rejoicing and song, as David had provided. 19 Moreover, he stationed guards at the gates of the LORD'S temple so that no one unclean in any respect might enter. 20 Then he took the captains, the nobles, the rulers among the people, and all the people of the land, and led the king out of the LORD'S house. When they had come within the upper gate of the king's house, they seated the king upon the royal throne. 21 All the people of the land rejoiced and the city was quiet, now that Athaliah had been put to death by the sword.
Was this the queen of the harpies?
I think the Orthodox would say the IC is not dogma because it was never ratified by a valid Ecumenical Council
No. The Ecumenical Councils did not "ratify" dogma; they proclaimed it! The Pope would either agree in whole or in part with such porclamations, but the Church would go along wiht the consensus patrum.
For example, the Pope refused to acknowledge Canon xxviii of the Council of Chalcedon, but this canon was still implemented despite his objection (and even threats) a year later even by his own Illyrian bishops.
That's because the pope was not then what he was made to be later on when the Latin Church decided to go her own way.
The dogma of the Immaculate Conception was proclaimed by the Pope, without an Ecumenical Council (just as the dogma of the Ascent ion of Mary, 1952), because the Pope can bypass the Synod of caridnals.
The only dogma of the Eastern Church and the Church of the first millennium is that she gave birth to God. No other dogma regarding Mary is necessary Christologically speaking. It was intended to counter any and all speculations and teahcings by some in the Church that Christ was only a man.
I think the Orthodox would agree with Calvinists that Mary was conceived of and born in the normal way
Correct. Her conception is considered a miracle since her parents were old, but she needed no special dispensation.
I think at least some Orthodox would say that the idea of IC would tend to lessen the humanity of Mary, and thus lessen our connection to her
Correct. Immaculate Conception makes her ontologically something other than what we are by nature. Her sinlessness would therefore be no special effort, but simply her nature, the way she was created and as such nothing to look up to.
I am less sure of this one, but as a general principle, I don't think the Orthodox believe in the idea of "original sin", at least in the way most Western Christians think of it.
Kolo taught you very well. :)
However, I think they would say that at birth Mary was no less subject to sin than anyone else.
Correct. Her nature was no different than ours. She was ontologically a fallen human.
But before she was old enough to actually sin, she was given special grace (somewhere around three years old) and that grace resulted in her being able to never commit actual sin
No. The EOC teaches that she chose not to sin, out of love for God. God created us human; we can choose no to be inhuman. She was just better at it than others because she loved and served God more willingly than we do.
That's why she is exalted as the saint of saints, a role model second to none.
How'd I do? :)
Not bad for a Reformed Baptist and a lawyer! :)
I do realize that this will draw ire from some Roman Catholics. It's okay. Kolo and I have basically stopped communicating with Roman Catholics, save for a few individuals, and then only via PM.
It's good to see your Orthodox "catechisis" is holding out. Kolo will be happy. :)
The photographer titled it "Mary's Sacrifice" and as I recall claimed he took the photo at a graveyard in Nicaragua.
I posted a link to it because of my general aggravation whenever I see anyone or anything draped on a cross pretending to be equal to Christ, whether a rock star, Santa Claus, a cartoon character or whatever.
Mary, John or anyone else at the foot of the Cross would not have bothered me, but in this photo the lady he evidently calls Mary has her arm draped over the crossbeam where Christ's arm would have been.
Any hoot, that's all I know about it. The artist's concept and/or the photographer's title were troubling to me, personally.
His website evidently has been canceled, but you can still see residues of it by Googling and using the cache. And if you Google on images, the photo is still there as a thumbprint evidently from a FreeRepublic posting.
We did check a little further on thread trying to see the statuary in context with other graveyard statuary. As I recall, we did find a landscape photo that suggested it was, i.e. she was not at the foot of the cross.
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