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Who are the Catholics: The Orthodox or The Romanists, or both?
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Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience

I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?

I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?


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To: Natural Law
And what gives you the authority to speak for God?

God already spoke for Himself in the scriptures...I'm just reminding you what He said...

4,381 posted on 01/18/2010 4:59:47 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Quix; Petronski; Running On Empty; Mad Dawg; Alamo-Girl
Q>>>I can imagine Christ exalting in the empty tomb or a symbol thereof.

Q>>>I can imagine Christ exalting in an empty cross.

Q>>>It’s hard to impossible for me to imagine Him exalting in an image of Himself still on a cross.

Consider the words of St Paul:

1 Cor 1:23 -- But we preach Christ crucified: unto the Jews indeed a stumbling block, and unto the Gentiles foolishness:

1 Cor 2:2 -- For I judged not myself to know anything among you, but Jesus Christ: and him crucified.

Gal 3:1 -- O senseless Galatians, who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth: before whose eyes Jesus Christ has been set forth, crucified among you?

All throughout St. Paul's letters, it's clear he talks about the sacrifice of Christ and the reality of the great price He had to pay for our redemption.

And I will tell you that regular and thorough contemplation of that price, through meditation of the account of His passion, tends to reduce one's sense of self-righteousness and increase one's level of humility. Thus, those peculiar Catholic traditions of crucifixes, passion plays, stations of the cross, &tc.

Now I can appreciate the desire of an iconoclast to get rid of ALL images, all visual cues and reminders, including the empty cross, in order to remove the possibility of something being perceived as bowing down to an idol. I don't agree and think it is misguided, but I can understand it.

And I absolutely can agree that some of the modernist depictions of the crucifix are horrendous.

But, in light of the Scriptures, I cannot fathom why the revulsion that some have toward the traditional image of Christ crucified.

4,382 posted on 01/18/2010 5:05:36 AM PST by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Rodebrecht; Quix

Coakley: Catholics Shouldn’t Work in ER’s [essentially]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2428942/posts


4,383 posted on 01/18/2010 5:07:20 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (2010 HOUSE RACES! Help everyone get the goods on their House Rats. See my profile.)
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To: MarkBsnr
No, you said that the first Christians were in Antioch.

Never said any such thing...You're making it up...I have never told anyone the first Christians were in Antioch...But I have said scores or maybe hundreds of times that people were first called Christians in Antioch, Syria...And that's what I said to you...

4,384 posted on 01/18/2010 5:09:47 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: MarkBsnr
You have explicitly told us that all graven images are forbidden.

Not true...God told you all graven images are forbidden...I just brought the relevant scripture to your attention...

4,385 posted on 01/18/2010 5:13:25 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: markomalley

PREACHING about

CHRIST AND HIM CRUCIFIED

is exceedingly different, to me, than even gazing meditatively at a crucifix.

That Old Testament prohibition is fiercely in my bone marrow.


4,386 posted on 01/18/2010 5:17:27 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

Seems to be working hard at being a wretched evil creature, doesn’t she/it?


4,387 posted on 01/18/2010 5:18:21 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: HarleyD

Well put, I think.


4,388 posted on 01/18/2010 5:23:09 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Petronski
You may notice that most if not all Catholic posters here are former Protestants...

Don't you ever get tired of being so bone-achingly gobsmackingly wrong?

I have to admit that I was in a hurry and left out a couple of words in that sentence...I intended to say that most if not all Catholics here who post any amount of scripture are former Protestants...

So am I still wrong???

4,389 posted on 01/18/2010 5:23:25 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Quix

Got that right.

Coakley Supports Partial-birth Abortion, Taxes for Abortion, Opposes Parent Consent Laws on Abortion
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2431034/posts
[Like I’ve been saying — her overall sense of justice helps validate that infanticidal death trolls are inhuman in other issues too.]

Coakley’s Support of “Transgender Rights” Would Force Taxpayers to Fund Murderer’s Trans Procedures
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2430006/posts

” ... he raped a 23-month-old girl with a hot, curling iron ...” But Coakley released him because his “ ... union-representative father steered lots of endorsements and donations to the Coakley for AG campaign ... “
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2429753/posts

Martha Coakley’s Convictions [role played in a notorious sex case raises questions]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2429453/posts

One of Martha Coakley`s victims
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2429811/posts
[Louise Woodward, the English Nanny convicted in part by Martha Coakley]

[Coakley’s Witch Hunt of Innocents for Political Gain]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2429746/posts
How to Extort a Confession [Gerald Amirault] From April 22, 2002


4,390 posted on 01/18/2010 5:26:19 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (2010 HOUSE RACES! Help everyone get the goods on their House Rats. See my profile.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

LORD, GOD, ALMIGHTY,

PLEASE keep this Coakley creature from any further public life at all. Cause her to fall into a pit of horrors 7 times worse than the baby experienced with the curlling iron.

In Jesus’ Name.
So be it.


4,391 posted on 01/18/2010 5:32:38 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

God is tripping them up in many ways, FRiend.

BROWN RESPONDS TO OBAMA ON THE TRUCK
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2430893/posts?page=42
[Zero got B-Slapped.]

Brown Threatens Legal Action
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2430542/posts
“Brown wants to send 1,736 rape victims away from the hospital.”

What The Heck (Obumbler Attacks Trucks Drivers Alert)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2430706/posts
“ ... hit Scott Brown for driving a truck at least three times ... “

Question (Obama: “I Don’t Know Brown’s Policies.” DUHOH ALERT)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2430701/posts
“So what exactly made him qualified to attack Brown’s policies?” — NRO

Barney Frank bashes Coakley. “She let it become a personality contest and that was a mistake”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2430656/posts

More added to response to this post, such as the outrageous injustices she perpetrated for political gain, Obama heckled at rally, Coakley gaffes, Catholics should be in ERs, Barney Frank bashing her, and Patrick Kennedy doesn’t even know Coakley’s Name.


4,392 posted on 01/18/2010 5:33:52 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (2010 HOUSE RACES! Help everyone get the goods on their House Rats. See my profile.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

Coakley: Catholics Shouldn’t Work in ER’s [essentially]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2428942/posts

Dem Congressman predicts ‘very slow count’...
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dc/2010/01/if-coakley-loses-fast-forward.html

Coakley’s Top Ten
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2431029/posts

Obama heckled at rally...
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/01/17/obama_heckled_at_coakley_rally.html

Patrick Kennedy, son of late Sen. Edward Kennedy, mentioned Coakley repeatedly during his remarks to reporters, each time referring to her as ‘Marcia,’ not ‘Martha’...
http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2010/01/after_obama_ral.php

Barney Frank: “[Coakley/Mass.] let it become a personality contest and that was a mistake”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2430656/posts
[With friends like this ...]

Coakley Supports Partial-birth Abortion, Taxes for Abortion, Opposes Parent Consent Laws on Abortion
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2431034/posts
[Like I’ve been saying — her overall sense of justice helps validate that infanticidal death trolls are inhuman in other issues too.]

Only 36% of Likely Mass. Voters Support Obamacare; Only 48% Approve of Job Obama’s Doing
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2431015/posts

Coakley’s Support of “Transgender Rights” Would Force Taxpayers to Fund Murderer’s Trans Procedures
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2430006/posts

” ... he raped a 23-month-old girl with a hot, curling iron ...” But Coakley released him because his “ ... union-representative father steered lots of endorsements and donations to the Coakley for AG campaign ... “
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2429753/posts

Martha Coakley’s Convictions [role played in a notorious sex case raises questions]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2429453/posts

One of Martha Coakley`s victims
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2429811/posts
[Louise Woodward, the English Nanny convicted in part by Martha Coakley]

[Coakley’s Witch Hunt of Innocents for Political Gain]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2429746/posts
How to Extort a Confession [Gerald Amirault] From April 22, 2002

[NY Slimes?] From Bay State to Red State? [Coakley’s gaffes]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2429806/posts

Clinton fights for Martha, rails against ‘Tea Party’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2429452/posts

Democrats Accuse Brown of ‘Radical’ Ties as Senate Election Nears [Tea Party Tie-in]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2429627/posts

Analysis: Senate race underscores voter anger
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2429745/posts
Breitbart (AP)

DEM THREAT: SENATE CAN PASS HEALTHCARE WITH 51 VOTES
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aPg2UfFaCh9c&pos=9

Martha Coakley Continues Her Blunders, Gaffes, Stumbles and Flubs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2429850/posts

I’ve been called a LOT of things…(Curt Schilling)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2429810/posts
[Coakley steps in it again.]


4,393 posted on 01/18/2010 5:34:19 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (2010 HOUSE RACES! Help everyone get the goods on their House Rats. See my profile.)
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To: Quix

Thank you for alerting others earlier. God bless you and FRegards ....


4,394 posted on 01/18/2010 5:35:03 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (2010 HOUSE RACES! Help everyone get the goods on their House Rats. See my profile.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

Incredible.

However, defeat is not sufficient, imho.

Anyone who would support someone who’d do that to a baby deserves severe punishment.

May God make it fully and speedily happen and that speeidly.

Of course she has the option to repent. I wouldn’t hold my breath. She seems to delight in trying to poke God Himself in the eye with a hot poker.

May she reap what she has sown and that speedily.

May God make a vivid example of her and her values.

May she writhe in the vice grip of HIS JUSTICE.

I’m sorry if such prayers jangle some folks sensibilities . . . this creature has no place running around loose in an ostensibly even remotely Christian culture.

May God make a harshly vivid example of her and her hideousness.


4,395 posted on 01/18/2010 5:38:03 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

Certainly. Hideous evil is hideous evil.

I think we can agree sufficiently on that score, to support one another against it.

N’est pas?

I barely remember if that’s fitting French at that point or not! LOL.


4,396 posted on 01/18/2010 5:40:15 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Peter once pointed at a man, rebuked him, and the man fell dead. Jesus once cursed a tree for not bearing fruit. I understand, FRiend. God curses people who mock prophets too, such as children eaten by a pack of wild dogs.

If you feel called to curse someone, that’s the way God works sometimes. It’s uncommon, but it happens.


4,397 posted on 01/18/2010 5:41:52 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (2010 HOUSE RACES! Help everyone get the goods on their House Rats. See my profile.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

I know. I’ve seen such happen with at least 5 people in my life.

And after talking last night with a hard working missionary in Asia . . . I may be gearing up to pray in that way about more than Coakley. Idiocy is again destructively leading the missionary committee.

God have mercy on people of good will and His priorities.

May those most horrifically contrary to Him and His priorities fall in the pit they have dug and that speedily. May He make of them vivid examples of the consequences of choosing satan and his priorities over God’s.

May all who see their fall know that GOD HIMSELF has made of such creatures vivid examples of how NOT to live and do.

LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED.

May the horrifically cruel evil doer choke on his/her own spittle.

May they fall flat in a list of ways breaking and disfiguring their faces and every public image they have made for themselves.

May their own relatives foresake them in disgust and revulsion.

May their own children refuse to have anything to do with them.

May their dryness and deadness of soul leak out all over their bodies in vivid ways.

May the baby with the curling iron be vindicated and recompensed a thousand fold in the lives of every such hideously cruel and insensitive satanic politician in Washington and in every State office, in Jesus’ Name.

May the sex lives and activities of every such evil doer become painfully and overtly hideously disgusting and wretched even to them—in justice for what they have done to their victims and the unborn.

May such evil doers be haunted with nightmares of the evils they have done coming home to roost in their own lives and bodies.

May such unrepentant creatures relentlessly face themselves in their mirrors and in their nightmares until they cannot stand to tolerate themselves any longer.

May any so led pray in similar agreement against such horrific evils and such hideous evil doers.

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I guess you can get the drift of how I feel about such cases.


4,398 posted on 01/18/2010 5:53:53 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: RegulatorCountry

I just skimmed your “home page”. Wow!

There;s a Jesuit at UVA who often celebrates Mass at our (Dominican) parish. He’s an ‘istorian, and has written and exhaustive (and occasionally eexhausting) history of the Catholic Church in VA. Fascinating.

I asked him about all the VERY “Catholic” names a lot of the “red necks” (NOT a put down, not at ALL) have and whether there wasn’t some kind of Catholic (maybe from Scotland? but maybe from England as well?) emmigration winding way up in the holler.” HE was dubious.

But come on! My next door neighbor “BL” - Bernard Louis. If that ain’t Catholic I don’t know what is! Clem(ent), Ferd(inand), Cletus? All Catholic names!

I would say, Yeah. When it comes to mistakes, we Catholics hold a disastrous pre-eminence. Thanks for your post.


4,399 posted on 01/18/2010 5:54:04 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: MarkBsnr
I just have this feeling that it is for our sake, not for His that we need to believe in this fashion.I think that's right.
4,400 posted on 01/18/2010 5:56:11 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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