Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience
I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?
I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?
So what, the maps I showed you were of ancient Syria with Antioch in Syria...And had you known what you were talking about when you started this argument, You'd have agreed with me instead of trying to look like you could outsmart me...
The penny drops. Very good. And it was the Syriac territory, not modern day Syria proper, and this territory, whether self ruled or conquered, varied hugely over the millennia. At one point, it covered all of modern day Israel, Palestine, Jordan, Syria, Egypt, and sizeable portions of Iraq, Turkey, Libya, Saudi Arabia, and almost all of Ethiopia.
Man, you just don't give up...You have resorted to agreeing with what I initially said but trying to make it sound as tho it was your idea...WoW...
At one point, it covered all of modern day Israel, Palestine, Jordan, Syria, Egypt, and sizeable portions of Iraq, Turkey, Libya, Saudi Arabia, and almost all of Ethiopia
Yes it did...And as I pointed out to you several times, when the Apostle Paul made his first Journey, THAT Antioch was in what was Syria at the time...What is your problem???
We now agree but you flip-flopped your position...Good...You learned something...
I may join your church, if I could ever figure out what it teaches...Apparently, that's much of a concern to you guys...
that’s much of a concern=that’s NOT much of a concern...
There are precedents set in scripture.
I worked with several catholics. I made a point before knowing any ones denomination, that being new to the area I was looking for a church to attend. They asked if I was catholic...my answer was I am Christian and I follow Christ.
They pressed harder for a denomination...I stated my response again with this fact...When you identify a denomination you will be placed in a compartment of beliefs associated with that denomination rather than that of the centrality of Christ and Christ alone. Why wouldn't this be sufficient to “qualify” for an invitation into any church that bears His name? Their response...then you're not catholic so you can't come to my church...the other catholics agreed.
They missed the whole point entirely. Later discussions would show they had no understanding of scripture for the very reason stated above..and they said as much. Too hard to understand..too complicated..etc. etc. So I listed off the ten commandments asking what was hard to understand about these?
Further, That God is not as concerned about what we might not understand, as He will bring that to light in His own time, as he is with what we are doing about what we do understand. Their response was to further state the difficulty of reading and understanding scripture no matter how much I encouraged them otherwise.
It seemed to me then that they indeed saw the church and their Priests as their salvation thru other conversations which followed. Mass and Lent was the extent of their conversations..so I inquired of these...they couldn't explain except that is what they do.
But your claims were that Antioch is now in Syria. At one point you did have an old map - if I recall correctly, it was of the Syriac territory in the 500s.
Man, you just don't give up...You have resorted to agreeing with what I initially said but trying to make it sound as tho it was your idea...WoW...
You did not initially say it. Can you find the post? I didn't.
Yes it did...And as I pointed out to you several times, when the Apostle Paul made his first Journey, THAT Antioch was in what was Syria at the time...What is your problem???
No. That was my objection in the first place. It was in the Roman province of Syriac territory, but not in current day Syria.
We now agree but you flip-flopped your position
Only if the definition of me flip flopping is you changing your story.
There certainly are. Exodus and Numbers tell us how God has instructed us to create graven images that are not idols. Furthmore, Exodus 25 and 26 tells us how to create an Ark for Him and what materials to create it out of.
Or perhaps it was pulled because it failed Nihil Obstat, or because it was falsely attributed to a priest, or...??? The essential point is that even if it were authored by one errant priest, which is in doubt, it does NOT represent the position of the Catholic Church or the vast majority of catholics and Catholic laity. To suggest or represent otherwise is literally bearing false witness.
Well then, does that make God wrong, or does it make these individual people ignorant?
A lot of times, people inquire of Catholics about the Church, and then start demanding justification for this that and the other, sort of like here on FR.
Catholics (and I daresay protestants as well) are quick to discern when someone wants to play prosecuting attorney. Instead of being unable to explain, they may have simply said that to you because they sensed you might want a 1/2 hour amen brother chorus, instead of searching for a garden of the Holy Spirit where your young soul could be planted and grow.
A seed doesn’t look much like the mature plant. And a seed that complains about everything in the garden will not prosper — might even be a tare, instead of wheat. Why invite discord that only interrupts concentration on the liturgy and the celebration of the Eucharist?
There is a process for the ordinary person who wants to explore Catholic beliefs and practices. See a priest to get involved, if you really want to. If you simply want to debate YOUR points against THEIR points, see if anybody on FR will bother with you. If you want to learn, it’s easy enough; the only requirement is to be teachable.
“The Hebrews used a plethora of musical instruments in church. A plethora. They had everything, harps, drums, wind instruments, stringed instruments, maybe even castanets made from camel hooves, who knows”
ahh...your very own personal tradition...
That’s funny
God had each family brought before the elders, starting with the tribe, then the family of the first chieftan and down the line until they came to Achan's family.
When found guilty he, his wife, his children all their property,animals, and the stolen treasure were destroyed.
Serious stuff
To be accurate, it's Scriptural. And since the understanding is that Exodus is dictated by God, then it is God's word. You may find it funny or not at your discretion.
Did the Israelites look upon the two angels and pray?
You were right I saw that.
If you are serious, I'm sure some of us can hook you up with a teacher. I know a coupel of good people at Duke U - lay Dominicans, one in the Theology dept.
First, just to set the conceptual framework, It's good to look at what an apostle is, in the secular use of the word. It is ballpark the same as "agent," in that the apostle acts for his principal and the principal is bound by the acts of the agent.
But then, any of us have, after our order, or may have been in a situation where we were witnessing to a distressed soul and where it is up to us to convey the suffering love of Jesus. Just sticking with some people is an entree into suffering!
And sometimes it is the sticking with that conveys what our words to do convey. In that case we have, as we would say, exercised an apostolate, we have been a "stand-in" for IHS.
It's only when the idea sneaks in that the "power" is somehow autonomous that we end up with disaster, IMHO.
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