Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience
I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?
I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?
False gods and false idols.
Diana didn't/doesn't exist.
Your secular education seems as lacking as your religious education. Look up and compare the the words idol and symbol and the words worship, pray and venerate. When you are done tell us why your statement wasn't just plain stupid.
Your silence will be an admission of stupidity and an act of contrition.
Well I don't know...Maybe God wanted to protect the reputation of His Church...
Now that's funny, I don't care who ya are...
Matthew 7:3 - And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
If you belong to the Catholic church, you cannot complain about others.
There's bad on both sides...
But one sides demands that it's priests be single and celibate, for life...And that same side covers it up from the top down when these incidents take place...Wanna guess what side that is???
Yes I can and will continue to do so in a comparative manner. I am not claiming that any organization comprised of imperfect persons will be without problems.
Interesting use of the present tense there.
I mean, since you have no proof.
How many of these Protestant clergy were protected from the consequences of their sexual depravity by their Church, as was the case with quite a few Catholic ones?
Therein lies the problem. The Church itself became party to the sin when it concealed the existence of it.
Hopefully, that concealing is in the past, and those clergy prone to such behavior have been removed from current or future postions of trust and authority within the Church.
I've long felt that your seminaries were deliberately targeted and infiltrated by radical homosexuals, personally. Root them all out, they're tares.
And, that's not just an admonition for Catholics alone. We've got our own problems, especially with the well known mainline denominations, ourselves. This may sound odd to you, but at least we have alternatives. There are advantages to decentralization.
My silence? I have provided nothing but scripture. YOU have provided nothing but man’s word.
So... silence automatically means “strategic withdawal...to avoid embarrassment or “making fools of themselves”.
Naw. They just went to bed.
All of you who are so familiar with Sacred Scripture should remember this gem:
“In vain do you put off your rest, for the Lord gives to His beloved in their sleep”.
Patently false.
That is redundant. Celibate only means unmarried, it does not mean chaste. Sexual activity out of wedlock, whether extramarital or not, is a sin for a priest just as it is for any Catholic.
That's one of the points I make...How many thousands of errant priests do you have that give their own opinion that is in contrast with your religion???
Is what this priest wrote true??? Do you agree with his position???
Don't blame us for being wrong by quoting your priests...Get on your priests...
The fact that the incidence of occurrence is 5X to 10X higher among the Protestant Clergy and not widely known is evidentiary. The major difference is that the Catholic Church self insures and most Protestant churches maintain expensive misconduct insurance policies with strict confidentiality provisions.
Paul demonstrated the creation of hierarchy most notably with Timothy and Titus. Paul speaks of bishops, presbyters and deacons, and so does the Didache. Certainly, as the Church grew, the need for more formal hierarchy grew, and the constant battles against heresy also required a cohesive Church, rather than individuals forming their own theologies.
Some excerpts from Ignatius:
"Now, therefore, it has been my privilege to see you in the person of your God-inspired bishop, Damas; and in the persons of your worthy presbyters, Bassus and Apollonius; and my fellow-servant, the deacon, Zotion. What a delight is his company! For he is subject to the bishop as to the grace of God, and to the presbytery as to the law of Jesus Christ" (Letter to the Magnesians 2 [A.D. 110]).
"Take care to do all things in harmony with God, with the bishop presiding in the place of God, and with the presbyters in the place of the council of the apostles, and with the deacons, who are most dear to me, entrusted with the business of Jesus Christ, who was with the Father from the beginning and is at last made manifest" (ibid., 6:1). "In like manner let everyone respect the deacons as they would respect Jesus Christ, and just as they respect the bishop as a type of the Father, and the presbyters as the council of God and college of the apostles. Without these, it cannot be called a church. I am confident that you accept this, for I have received the exemplar of your love and have it with me in the person of your bishop. His very demeanor is a great lesson and his meekness is his strength. I believe that even the godless do respect him" (ibid., 3:1–2).
"I cried out while I was in your midst, I spoke with a loud voice, the voice of God: ‘Give heed to the bishop and the presbytery and the deacons.’ Some suspect me of saying this because I had previous knowledge of the division certain persons had caused; but he for whom I am in chains is my witness that I had no knowledge of this from any man. It was the Spirit who kept preaching these words, ‘Do nothing without the bishop, keep your body as the temple of God, love unity, flee from divisions, be imitators of Jesus Christ, as he was imitator of the Father’" (Letter to the Philadelphians 7:1–2 [A.D. 110]).
The hierarchy was well established before the Apostle John died. But make no mistake; there were the overseers (bishops), the priests (presbyters) and the deacons (assistants) right from Paul's time.
Santa Claus has about the same historical validity as Papal Supremacy. Peter and Paul had been dead a LONG time before the Bishop of Rome started calling himself “Vicar of Christ”.
We believe that the authority came from Jesus Christ Himself in Matthew 16. The term vicar is a more modern term, obviously, and it means the temporary substitution of a lesser man for a king or ruler during an event or period of time. Another term is steward. The steward was the man that the king or ruler gave the keys to when he was away from his castle or kingdom on a temporary basis. The keys are also specifically mentioned in Matthew 16. Jesus is the King and His Kingdom is Heaven. Peter was given the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven.
Just by itself, it's pretty convincing.
Nope...If you tell me something that your church teaches for truth, I'll take it as that...If you haven't bothered to consult your own catechism before giving me your Catholic truth, that's your problem, not mine...You are spreading false information about your religion if it doesn't line up with your truth...
You've got to be kidding...If you tell me something that isn't true, and I believe you, it's my fault for believing you...They have a word for that...
WHACO!!!
If you use someone’s statement off-the-cuff as final authority, the failure is yours.
Diana didn't/doesn't exist.
God didn't differentiate between what was real and what was perceived...He said NONE...Whether on earth or heaven above...That would include Mary, Saints, Angels, and Jesus...
You are consistent in your errors, that is true. Even error here. I disagree with you because you are in error. When you post scripture, then you post scripture. But the inference was that your posts contain only God's words, which puts your posts in the same frame of reference that Jedediah's posts are. Not only do your posts mostly consisting of your own words, not God's, but you consistently misquote or misunderstand what they mean. And in reviewing your last 50 posts, you only post a few of God's words in your scriptural selection.
Care to talk to about Antioch further? Antioch??? You still hanging on to that one??? What is interesting tho is you have no problem telling me I'm wrong but you fail to correct me, other than to say Antioch is in Turkey, which didn't exist at the time of the Apostles...
I have no problem in telling you that you are wrong because you are wrong on this issue. You said that Antioch is in Syria, any number of times, which I corrected. You then mentioned a second Antioch in the middle of Turkey and did a wonderful little misdirection about it. The fact is that the Antioch of NT Christianity was a great city, rivalling Alexandria as eastern Mediterranean powers. Your other Antioch in the middle of Turkey was a way station on a major travelling route, much like Ottawa Ontario is the capital of Canada, and Ottawa Illinois is a small community with some gas stations along I-80.
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