Who are the Catholics: The Orthodox or The Romanists, or both?

Me

[the_conscience]

I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?

I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?

[RnMomof7]

Here is more wisdom, the Catholic Church is not a democracy and doesn't permit its Catechism and dogma to be established by popular vote of the members, the elect or even the clergy, let alone non-practicing CINOs.

Tell me did the church fathers agree on everything?

[stfassisi]

Ohhh my..don't you know that the entire old Testament points to Christ and His crucifixion?

OHHH MY..don't you know If Adam and Eve had not FREELY sinned of their own free will there would have been no Crucifixion.

Stop blaming God for creating sin!

[RnMomof7]

Just like Salvation, Catholicism is not declared or awarded. It is justified by faith AND works.

Ohhh so one is a catholic the same way one is saved.... interesting...

So when the Catholic church gives its membership numbers perhaps they should drop the 3/4 of people that no longer go to church (except maybe midnight mass on Christmas ) or do not follow the church teaching on confession and communion one time a year.. do you agree?

[1000 silverlings]

what about when you had two popes claiming to be the only pope, what happened there

[Natural Law]

"Salvation see:"

Sorry, but you are working from an obsolete revision of the contract. Every one of your citings is Old Testament. The New and Everlasting Covenant superseded all previous covenants.

[stfassisi]

BTW,

Your long ping lists of bringing large amounts of people into your posts screams of the pride of “look at me look” “look at me” “be impressed with what I just wrote”

[1000 silverlings]

Exactly. As fishers of men, evengelists just search for them, hunt them down and round them up. The elect are already made.

[Uri’el-2012]

U-2012>Salvation see:
Gen. 49:18; Exod. 14:13; 15:2; Deut. 32:15; 1 Sam. 2:1; 2 Sam. 22:3, 36, 47; 23:5; 1 Chr. 16:23, 35; 2 Chr. 6:41; 20:17; Job 13:16; Ps. 3:8; 9:14; 13:5; 14:7; 18:2, 35, 46; 21:1, 5; 24:5; 25:5; 27:1, 9; 35:3, 9; 37:39; 38:22; 40:10, 16; 50:23; 51:12, 14; 53:6; 62:1f, 6; 65:5; 67:2; 68:19; 69:29; 70:4; 71:15; 78:22; 79:9; 85:4, 7, 9; 88:1; 89:26; 91:16; 95:1; 96:2; 98:2f; 106:4; 116:13; 118:14f, 21; 119:41, 81, 123, 155, 166, 174; 132:16; 140:7; 144:10; 146:3; 149:4; Isa. 12:2f; 17:10; 25:9; 33:2, 6; 45:8, 17; 46:13; 49:6, 8; 51:5f, 8; 52:7, 10; 56:1; 59:11, 16; 60:18; 61:10; 62:1, 11; 63:5; Jer. 3:23; Lam. 3:26; Jon. 2:9; Mic. 7:7; Hab. 3:8, 13, 18; Zech. 9:9; Mk. 16:20; Lk. 1:69, 71, 77; 2:30; 3:6; 19:9; Jn. 4:22; Acts 4:12; 13:26, 47; 16:17; 28:28; Rom. 1:16; 10:1, 10; 11:11; 13:11; 2 Co. 1:6; 6:2; 7:10; Eph. 1:13; 6:17; Phil. 1:28; 2:12; 1 Thess. 5:8f; 2 Thess. 2:13; 1 Tim. 4:16; 2 Tim. 2:10; 3:15; Tit. 2:11; Heb. 1:14; 2:3, 10; 5:9; 6:9; 9:28; 11:7; 1 Pet. 1:5, 9; 2:2; 2 Pet. 3:15; Jude 1:3; Rev. 7:10; 12:10; 19:1

Sorry, but you are working from an obsolete revision of the contract. Every one of your citings is Old Testament. The New and Everlasting Covenant superseded all previous covenants.

So you serve some other G-d than YHvH.

Perhaps the same god as Mohammed and Benedict.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[RnMomof7]

OHHH MY..don't you know If Adam and Eve had not FREELY sinned of their own free will there would have been no Crucifixion.

Adam was created innocent and unlike his offspring he was able to choose to sin or not sin.. so yes Adams sin was a free choice...but do you think God was surprised? After all He had foreordained Christ and the cross long before He made Adam.

God designed and created Adam, He placed within Adam a set of preferences, so that God knew exactly what Adam would choose in a particular set of circumstances ...God designed the will of Adam.

It was God that set the parameters of Eden ...it was God that gave Adam the rules, it was God that placed the tree in the center of the garden and it was God that placed satan there as well..

The fall was a part of the plan for the glory of God

The cross was a central plan to creation, not an accidental one

What if Christ was never crucified?

[RnMomof7]

Among weekly Church-going Catholics, the belief in the Real Presence was higher, and 44% of weekly Mass-assisting Catholic chose the correct response describing transubstantiation.

Thats not saying much is it? What is the % of self describing Catholics that attend mass even 1 time a month?

[Natural Law]

"So when the Catholic church gives its membership numbers perhaps they should drop the 3/4 of people that no longer go to church (except maybe midnight mass on Christmas ) or do not follow the church teaching on confession and communion one time a year.. do you agree?"

The Church does not judge and exclude. Even in the case of excommunication it only exiles from participation in the Church. It does not seek to judge ones salvation and offers redemption to even the gravest of sinners. Its mission is to educate and nurture. It is here to guide and facilitate each of us on our plan for salvation and to support sinner and saint alike in that journey.

As St. Thomas Aquinas stated (paraphrasing); "The salvation of one sinner is a greater accomplishment than the creation of the heavens and the earth for the heavens and earth will all pass away, but salvation in the Word is forever.

[Natural Law]

"what about when you had two popes claiming to be the only pope, what happened there"

There have never been two legitimate popes at the same time. The church has been victimized by a number later recognized as anti-popes.

[Petronski]

what about when you had two popes claiming to be the only pope

One real, one (or more) fake.

At any given time there can be only one real pope, no matter how many claim to be.

If someone else shows up and also claims to be "1000 silverings," would that make you less real?

[MarkBsnr]

Scripture is not limiting. It is authoritative concerning everything of which it speaks.

But not all encompassing. I believe that Petronski and I would both be curious about you limiting yourself to misunderstood snippets of Paul.

[1000 silverlings]

Victimized? By bad character and worse deeds?

Boy that makes the Holy Spirit fallible

[Natural Law]

"So you serve some other G-d than YHvH."

You are as wrong about that as you are about salvation and biblical numerology. There is only one God with three hypostases; God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

[RnMomof7]

If not, how could any of them have been saved since none had a personal knowledge and acceptance of Jesus?

OT Saints were saved the same way New Testament saints are.. by grace through faith. They looked forward to the cross.. and we look back at the cross..

Gen15:And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

[MarkBsnr]

God does more than merely "see" the past and future. He "declares the end from the beginning."

No wonder that you do not understand the Gospel. God does not merely declare, He IS. Foolishness, thy name is Calvin.

[RnMomof7]

Amen~

[RnMomof7]

Now, because God called us, we respond by dancing.
Our new hearts are not capable of doing anything else.

Such a sweet dance it is..I know who leads and it IS NOT ME.. "I love Him because He loved me 1st " Praise the Lord!