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Who are the Catholics: The Orthodox or The Romanists, or both?
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Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience

I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?

I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?


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To: Cronos
Dear Cronos,

“calwinos”?

What?

What is “calwinos”?


sitetest

2,921 posted on 01/14/2010 10:30:23 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Mr Rogers; RnMomof7; esquirette; blue-duncan; HarleyD; wmfights
Pride

Pride? Aren't all men prideful? Isn't "pride" part of the human condition after the Fall?

Why are some men able to surmount their prideful nature and others aren't? Why?

2,922 posted on 01/14/2010 10:35:57 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Petronski

I am never “insulted” when a brother tells me I need to repent of something...You know God once prophesied though the mouth of an ass so I need to heed the call to repent no matter its source...


2,923 posted on 01/14/2010 10:36:22 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.)
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To: esquirette
Scathing commentary without foundation in fact or good faith demonstrates an understanding that the point has been made, and the thesis must be distorted in order to create a basis for disagreement.

Too true.

It has nothing to do with my post, but it is very true nonetheless.

In fact, if you want "scathing commentary without foundation in fact or good faith," try this:

No wonder the Shorter Catechism, and even the Longer Catechism are still shorter than the Catechism of the Catholic Church. The Protestant Catechisms are all about what Christ does, not what we do.
Your insinuation that the Catechism of the Catholic Church is not "all about what Christ does, not what we do" is "scathing commentary without foundation in fact or good faith."
2,924 posted on 01/14/2010 10:37:56 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski
One more thing

The insult is when followers of Calvin instruct followers of Christ to repent.

I am not Catholic, I do not follow the dictates of a man and call that following Christ.

2,925 posted on 01/14/2010 10:38:36 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.)
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To: sitetest

I’d suggest that Calwinos are those who have become drunk on the false gospel of Calvin.


2,926 posted on 01/14/2010 10:39:52 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: RnMomof7
I am not Catholic, I do not follow the dictates of a man and call that following Christ.

I am Catholic, I do not follow the dictates of a man and call that following Christ.

2,927 posted on 01/14/2010 10:40:50 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: RnMomof7

Okay then, repent of the false gospel of Calvin.


2,928 posted on 01/14/2010 10:41:52 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

INDEED.


2,929 posted on 01/14/2010 10:43:06 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Mr Rogers; esquirette; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; HarleyD; wmfights
Pride

Ohhh so you are more humble than the man who doesn't come?

You don't think you are a bit more spiritual too?? Just a little smarter to take the offer of eternal life and escape from the pit of hell?

Do you really think that if a man had the spiritual understanding of an eternity in the flames of hell vs. an eternity in heaven his "pride" would interfere?Might it just be he lacks the Holy Spirit opening his understanding?

1 Corinthians 2:14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

2,930 posted on 01/14/2010 10:44:29 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.)
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To: Petronski

‘Your insinuation that the Catechism of the Catholic Church is not “all about what Christ does, not what we do” is “scathing commentary without foundation in fact or good faith.” ‘

So now it is on to Solus Christus, or not?

I had no idea the RC church had changed. If I erred in characterizing the Catholic position, please forgive me. I thought that just recently you informed me that works in addition to faith were required for justification.


2,931 posted on 01/14/2010 10:45:26 AM PST by esquirette (If we do not know our own worldview, we will accept theirs.)
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To: wmfights; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; RnMomof7; Quix; Marysecretary; NoGrayZone; Mr Rogers
We can consider just what is the work of the HS? We know that He always points to Christ.

Romans 8:11

The Spirit of God, who raised Jesus from the dead, lives in you. And just as he raised Christ from the dead, he will give life to your mortal body by this same Spirit living within you.

Denying the Resurrection, denying that Christ is God come in the flesh, this is the spirit of antiChrist. It's unbelief

2,932 posted on 01/14/2010 10:46:01 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Running On Empty
It is work to respond to grace. It is work to love our neighbor. It is work to avoid sin. It is work to live the Beatitudes. It is work to “take up our cross and follow Him”<.i>

Don’t you think that following Christ is work?

OF course it's not a work...You are distorting the term work apparently to justify your faith/works set-up...

2,933 posted on 01/14/2010 10:46:31 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: esquirette

Shoot and move, eh?

The insinuation or claim that the Catechism of the Catholic Church is not both about what Christ does and what we do (delicious false dichotomy, that) is without foundation in fact or good faith.


2,934 posted on 01/14/2010 10:48:22 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Cronos
Yup, them Cathlick Kirk banned Catlicks from reading the bible or Farmer John’s Almanac. They also banned eating chocolates on Mondays and grapes on Tuesday. And meat on Friday...

Sorry to hear about the chocolates...Chocolate is good on Monday...

2,935 posted on 01/14/2010 10:49:32 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool

So there’s no work in following Christ? Just utter the proper words and that’s it?

Don’t you ever get tired of being so haplessly, relentlessly wrong?


2,936 posted on 01/14/2010 10:49:51 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Iscool

I am not distorting anything.

I don’t have to “justify” my faith.

There is no “apparently” about it.


2,937 posted on 01/14/2010 10:49:55 AM PST by Running On Empty ( The three sorriest words: "It's too late")
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To: Mad Dawg

Hey Dawg !

I have not ever told anyone to repent here on FR or any forum because I believe that it is God that calls on men to repent.

I do not believe an unsaved man can repent until the Holy Spirt opens his eyes and gives him the gift of repentance.

An unsaved man can repent of himself all day long and God hears none of it..

So I do not have a dog in this particular fight


2,938 posted on 01/14/2010 10:51:54 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.)
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To: Cronos

LOL..It is BECAUSE we were predestined that we do repent...reprobates will never repent


2,939 posted on 01/14/2010 10:53:29 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.)
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To: Mr Rogers; RnMomof7; blue-duncan; HarleyD; wmfights; Gamecock; esquirette; 1000 silverlings; ...
?You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit

Do men circumsize their own hearts? Do men give themselves new ears?

No. God first gives a man new ears to enable him to hear the Gospel, and God first circumsizes the heart to enable a man to love Christ.

God determines salvation. All of it. Not man. That's why Calvinists consider Arminians to be pretty presumptuous and even prideful. And why Arminianism is the road back to Rome since Rome, like you said you do, denies election in favor of men's own prudent "free will."

"For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive?" -- 1 Corinthoians 4:7

2,940 posted on 01/14/2010 10:53:39 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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