Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience
I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?
I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Do not use provocative nicknames for other Freepers.
Good heavens! We go after our own hierarchs all the time for uncanonical behavior. We're the ones who are forever reminding others that the floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops! In fact, the Croatian bishop who was one of the two hierarchs quoted in the article was himself complaining about the uncanonical behavior of the Cardinal Archbishop of Austria. That abuse report was absolute nonsense and is an example of an as yet publicly unnamed person abusing a position of authority on this site.
"In the future, a caucus guest should ask himself if what he wants to say is something he would stand up and say in the midst of a closed door church service."
Well, that's not going to work because neither the Latins nor the Orthodox nor the Oriental Orthodox "stand up" and make comments "in the midst of a closed door church service". That's where we pray, RM. If the standard is what would we say openly and publicly at a parish general assembly, or a diocesan clergy/laity, that's just fine I am sure with all Orthodox.
"I imagine Catholic Caucus posters will again extend their welcome, but if the guests cause a disruption, the posts will be pulled and they will be instructed to leave."
Why pray tell, with your undefined or ill defined "standards" and your fiat decision, apparently made in conjunction with some "Catholic" who ignores the Pope's wishes that Orthodox are not Catholic, would any Orthodox accept the invitation? I predict that the discussions around here will devolve into conversations with images in the mirror or reinvigorated flame wars with the Reformed.
Correction, I supplied definitions from TWO dictionaries that DO support my position.
LOL!
You are certainly free to construct your own version of reality.
I’m retired.
No, that's actually an objective fact with things like clerical celibacy and many other innovations.
you’re too ignorant of history to know it.
tsk. tsk. tsk. Romanist just can't seem to follow the rules.
Did they say “Proper Noun”.
Did you actually read my post 165?
I said: From my point of view, there is no term other than "Catholic" with which the Catholics on the forum may call ourselves that is concise, accurate, and nonoffensive.
I don't want to use a term that I find offensive to describe MYSELF - and I don't expect you to use terms that you find offensive to describe YOURSELF.
That's just common sense, and on that point, at least, theology doesn't play into it.
I think it's rather naive to think that this thread has anything to do with that.
The person who posted this thread is not a member of the Catholic Caucus and I'm fairly certain is not a member of the Orthodox Caucus. What he IS doing is trying to make the case for calling the Catholic Caucus something else.
No, and I never said they did; they did, however, capitalize Catholic which indicates a proper noun.
Perhaps you should reread what Mr. Webster actually wrote back in 1828:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2421970/posts?page=195#195
Some stray Orthodox hating "Roman Catholic" complained and now some Catholic haters are having a field day splitting us up. Disgusting.
And the definition I provided capitalized Catholic so according to your “logic” then that definition should be a proper noun.
Why have you let yourself be sucked into this unedifying brawl by discord-loving trolls?
The points you raise are worthy of discussion, but not in this company.
The only point of this thread is to exploit the division among Christians, a fortiori among those in apostolic churches. It’s demonic.
I do not attribute motives. But it became immediately obvious to me that the objection on the original thread would result in an “I am Spartacus” reaction across the board that needed to be aired.
Definition #2, the one you omitted, DOES refer to a proper noun.
Yup. Isnt’ NY’er Catholic under another rite? I also know some Coptics who read FR.
The term "Roman Catholic" applies to members of the Latin Rite Church. Like all catholic churches, it does not distinguish Roman Catholics from Maronite or Melkite or Syro-Malabar, Ukrainian or any of the other 21 eastern churches. If anything, it has absorbed many of them over the years, much to the chagrin of the other churches.
As for me, I am a Roman Catholic practicing my "catholic" faith in a Maronite Church. The tide is beginning to swing the other way now as more and more Latin Rite catholics discover the beauty of the eastern catholic churches. Logistically, however, it is better for a young and growing family to select one of the churches for purposes of records maintenence.
Very well said!
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