I'm afraid I didn't see the word "proper" in there at all. Sorry.
Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience
I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?
I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?
Because that’s the definition I’m working with. The other definition is legitimate but not as universal. Most words have multiple definitions. I’m under no obligation to choose the definition that you prefer.
On what planet?
Do you visit often?
Why did the caucus threads have to start in the first place?
How about some examples of the thousands of pages?
While we are waiting:
Pius XII Was No Saint 01/03
The Papal Syllabus of Errors A.D. 1864 12/29
Meet the Old Church, Same as the New Church 12/26
Were the Popes Really Celibate 12/18
Marriage with a Roman Catholic 12/17
Can Catholics be Christians? 12/08
Racism Schock in the Catholic Church etc.
Tell you what. If you want to go around in this world calling yourself a Catholic, that is fine by me. You have every right in this world to do so and, frankly, I don't care.
Having said that, if you do so, 99.9999999% of the people in this world will assume that you are a beat counting, mackerel snapping, cookie worshiper.
Is that the label you wish to identify yourself with?
Furthermore, I think my fellow Catholics and I should start treating you just like a Catholic. In other words, if you don't tow the line on Doctrine, we'll have to start nailing you on it and quoting paragraphs from the CCC or LG or DS or DZ, since you want to be a Catholic so darned badly.
In fact, would you like me to personally ping you to each and every Catholic Caucus thread that I start from now on? Since you're complaining about not being included and all.
Maybe you could FReepmail the folks who maintain the Catholic ping lists so that they could add you to their pings, as well.
Or, alternatively, are you just moaning because somebody has some sort of made up complaint that they can use and it gives you a good opportunity to pile on?
The Catholic Christian Church is the catholic, universal church founded by Christ circa AD 33 and ordained by God from before the foundation of the world.
(Corrected for the edification of His saints.)
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INDEED.
So much for defining "Catholic" by who uses the filioque in the Creed. A few moments ago I thought I had an idea, the "Filioque Caucus"....
I'm afraid I didn't see the word "proper" in there at all. Sorry.
The Catholic Christian Church is the catholic, universal church founded by Christ circa AD 33 and ordained by God from before the foundation of the world.
(Corrected for the edification of His saints.)
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INDEED.
HAVING NOTHING PER SE TO DO WITH THE BISHOP OF ROME NOR THE INSTITUTION ATTACHED THERETO.
I much agree.
However, the RM’s job is impossible enough herding this herd of cats . . . I wouldn’t want to insist that he take sides on this issue.
There is NO DEFINITION of the Catholic Church (capitalized as proper nouns) which refers to anything other than the Catholic Church of which His Holiness Benedict XVI is the pope, nor is there a definition of Catholic as a proper noun which refers to anyone other than a member of the Catholic Church.
Most words have multiple definitions. I’m under no obligation to choose the definition that you prefer.
No you aren't but when you begin to use a word as a proper noun, the applicable definitions become limited.
You rather deceptively imply a single definition for a word that, by your source, has two.
It is the uniform understanding of the Orthodox that we constitute the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church (I refer you to the Encyclical of the Eastern Patriarchs of 1848).
I, myself, am scrupulous to refer to those in communion with the Pope of Rome as "Latins" (or "uniates" if they use an Eastern, non-Latin-rite liturgy) as the Orthodox Fathers have done since the time of the schism, a scrupulousness for which some Latin posters used to take me to task, expecting me to credit their confession's claim to be the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church by calling them "Catholics". Those complaints largely ceased when someone posted a commentary by a Jesuit on a homily of Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew (given I believe at Rome) in which his commentary was given in the Patriarch's voice and repeatedly addressed the Pope and his followers (the commentator actually writing the remarks included) as "you Latins".
I'm not sure what one can do about it, in as much as the Latin church's self-proclamation has passed into common usage in the West, and Latins don't seem to like being called Latins, papists (well there are a few here at FR who have embraced that label either in a screen name or a tag-line), Romanists, or anything but "Catholics", and if the Latins and uniates want to have their own caucus apart from others whom their ecclesiology regards as being in schism, I suppose they should have one.
It does seem like “Romanists” is intended as a slur.
“Roman Catholic” is more fitting.
Roman Catholic excludes members of the Catholic Church who do not and in some cases never have practiced under the Latin Rite.
Sorry.
Didn’t mean to turn humorless on you, at all.
I just have a kind of . . . genetic/attachment disorder crazy mother humor caused flawed capacity to detect some humor in some contexts.
Do you have your dictionary of proper nouns in front of you?
“Roman Catholic excludes members of the Catholic Church who do not and in some cases never have practiced under the Latin Rite.”
Yup. Isnt’ NY’er Catholic under another rite? I also know some Coptics who read FR.
You aren’t trying to read my mind or imply motives to me, are you?
Making ignorant comments without reading the literature is rarely a way to garner respect for the view(s) expressed.
The Grays are emphatically on the side of the Vatican and other GLOBALIST forces and INSTITUTIONS.
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