Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience
I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?
I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?
INDEED.
(I think)
That’s why we put up with & bother about the clique members.
I’ll take your barf errrr word for it.
I’m not a great fan of jello anyway.
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INDEED.
Their magicsterical has managed to negotiate, with Moses (Mary was the atny), a revision to the TEN COMMANDMENTS.
"THOU SHALT HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME" now has the following addition:
"THOU SHALT HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME except those designed exclusively for adoration, veneration, toe kissing, finger kissing, obeisance, genuflecting and prostration before. And THOSE must have a gold lettered framed and starched white hanky sign posted plainly in front of them: 'NO COVERT WORSHIPING--without relabeling it!' "
/S
I have no idea who those characters are. Is it on hulu?
The way I read the Gospels, Jesus wasn’t real fond of structured, organized, !!!!TRADITION!!!! BOUND, ARROGANT, !!!!CONTROLLING!!!! !RELIGION! either.
Lots of congregations, groups do pretty well for about a year and a half before the rot begins to set in.
Thankfully, I am my Beloved’s and He is mine . . . as the hymn goes.
Amen ! Brother.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
Song of songs 2:16 "My beloved is mine, and I am his;
He pastures {his flock} among the lilies.
IS a fitting and accurate word.
It's just that the cliques' word police can't allow any vocabulary out of their !!!!CONTROL!!!!! and they have to get their !!!!DEMANDING!!!! exercises in for the day !!!!DEMANDING!!!! that Vatican dogma, edifice etc. is all a homogeneous seamless harmonious totally agreeing and congruent piece [excuse me--barf]
from before Adam was created until now.
They break out in hives and Olympic class finger frothing at the idea that there could possible be 100's of contrary sects running around barely !!!!CONTROLLED!!!! under the Vatican umbrella . . . denying . . . wholesale (out of one side of their fingers) that it's been going on for centuries.
INDEED.
AHHHH
though even they might be forced in some situations to source locally.
Bro, I have accepted that God has made clear that you have a good relationship with Him and to trust those aspects of your religious practices to Him.
Nevertheless, that thinking and rationalization just doesn’t wash for me.
Humility is indispensible and priceless . . . and also Holy Spirit birthed and taught.
Focusing persistently, doggedly, worshipfully on God ALONE helps tremendously.
Conceivably.
However, ever little bit that helps is that much.
YUP.
INDEED.
and on our soil . . .
Fascinating.
Thanks.
Thanks for your kind replies.
Always love seeing your smiling post.
EXTREMELY WELL AND PERCEPTIVELY, ANOINTEDLY PUT.
THANKS TONS.
INDEED.
THX THX.
Do you imply that Christ has something against well-formed faith?
Ontology. Nice analogy regarding “more human” or “less human,” but I don't accept it as applicable.
I can only tell you what the Catholic Church teaches. The Catholic Church teaches that the true Church, the fullness of the Church, subsists in the Catholic Church, and that the Catholic Church is ontologically the one Church, complete and lacking nothing.
The Catholic Church does not believe that there is some invisible true Church of which the Catholic Church is merely one part, one more denomination. Whether you find the claim true, false, insulting, or whatever, the belief of the Catholic Church is that it is the one Church.
We do not believe that this is the case with the Orthodox Churches. We believe that they are in schism from the true Church.
The Polish National Catholic Church is an apostolic Church in the United States that has, as far as I know, continuing apostolic succession, validity of holy orders and sacraments, etc. They are in schism from the Catholic Church, but they have valid bishops, etc. Yet, we do not consider them to be the true Church. They might be a true particular Church, but ontologically, they lack much (although the Catholic Church doesn't believe that the Orthodox Churches lack much at all).
Regarding baptism, I have heard of some Orthodox re-baptising Catholics. Others don't. Thus, it appears to vary from one group to another what is considered a “valid” baptism.
Needless to say, the Catholic Church believes that all Her baptisms are valid. And we believe that all Orthodox baptisms are also valid. I have never, ever heard of any Orthodox ever being [re-]baptised when received into full communion in the Catholic Church.
As well, we Catholics seem to be somewhat more uniform in determining validity than the Orthodox.
“The people are the guardians of the Orthodox faith. No one individual is. The Orthodox do not give any one individual, save Christ, the sole credit for anything.”
If the attitudes of hostility and exclusion, of condescension and contempt were limited to a single Orthodox poster, I would credit what you say. But they are not.
“I have already indicated to you that I find that reprehensible and reject such ethnic chauvinism...”
It was YOU who excoriated CATHOLICS for our failure to counter the heresies of folks like Ms. Pelosi as reason why the ORTHODOX might not want to accomplish reunion with the CATHOLICS.
But as we can see from your own admissions, many of the Orthodox hierarchy are as guilty, and perhaps more guilty than the Catholic hierarchy in this regard.
I will note that the hierarchs of the Catholic Church have become more vocal about this sort of thing. In the past, the hierarchs have condemned positions like, “Well, personally I'm against abortion, but I believe that it should nonetheless be legally permitted,” but have said nothing about individual Catholic politicians who were pro-abortion.
Now, although only a few hierarchs have actually disciplined any individual Catholic politicians (and it is heartening that this is actually happening to any degree at all, as it has been missing for most of the past 35 years that the United States has been degraded by legal abortion on demand), many hierarchs are now speaking out publicly when individual Catholic pro-abortion politicians try to dress up their murderousness as legitimately Catholic. As well, it was heartening to see nearly a hundred of our hierarchs denounce Fr. Jenkins for inviting the anti-Christ Obama to receive high honors at Notre Dame this past spring.
It isn't enough, to my mind, but it's much more than I remember in my lifetime.
In any event, you initially stated that Catholic hierarchical failure to publicly confront Catholic heretics like Ms. Pelosi was reason to give the Orthodox pause in thinking about reunion with us.
But at least in recent years, that assertion falls flat when one considers that her heresies (and those of other prominent Catholic politicians by other Catholic hierarchs) were publicly condemned by her own archbishop, by the archbishop of the jurisdiction where she serves in Congress, and by many other Catholic hierarchs.
This is in contradistinction to at least some large parts of the Orthodox communion and how they deal with their own public heretics in public office.
Perhaps we CATHOLICS should be wary of you latitudinarian ORTHODOX when thinking about reunion (my tongue is at least partly in my cheek).
But all of this is really not relevant to the question at hand, which is caucus labeling.
There are many things wrong with the moderation of the Religion Forum, some of them intrinsically evil.
But the method of caucus labeling isn't one of them.
Although we are close, we aren't one. We do not each believe about the other’s Church what we believe about our own. It's appropriate for there to be mixed caucuses, and it's appropriate for their to be exclusive caucuses. The one-word monikers used by the Religion Moderator are short, effective, widely-understood terms that describe each of our communions, and serve the purpose for which they exist.
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