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What Lutherans Believe: What About... Mormonism?
Life of the World ^ | A. L. Barry

Posted on 12/19/2009 7:10:18 PM PST by delacoert

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To: buccaneer81
He's an LDS convert, not sure from what.

From any MINORITY religion in Nevada?

101 posted on 12/20/2009 11:02:21 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: aSeattleConservative
It must be “attack a Mormon day” on FR.
 
Therefore; it's a GOOD day!!


 
 The LDS Organization® prints Hundreds of Thousands of THIS yearly!

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/17#17

  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother,
“I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”
 
 
The LDS headquarters; in the heart of a modern  US city, visited by THOUSANDS daily, has this placed in prominent view:
 
 
...which reiterates the charge that "they are all wrong; they teach for doctrines the commandments of men".

102 posted on 12/20/2009 11:04:24 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
The real Lutherans (Missouri Synod et al) are very conservative and believe homosexuality is sinful.

ANYONE with a LICK of sense KNOWS that it's sinful!

103 posted on 12/20/2009 11:05:57 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Terridan
This certainly does NOT fit with the teachings of Socialism, Communism or ISLAM!!!!!!!!!!

One can live in the Communist Chinese hellhole of a country and Christianity will STILL save your soul.

MORMONism, OTOH, will NOT!

104 posted on 12/20/2009 11:07:48 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: buccaneer81
And I feel reasonably confident in saying God will be easier on most Mormons than he will be on scummy Islamists.

But your FEELINGS are not what GOD will be using to do the judging.

105 posted on 12/20/2009 11:09:07 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Skenderbej
Directions would be more useful.

Matthew 7:13-14
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

106 posted on 12/20/2009 11:10:25 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Nevada Religions

Roman Catholic – 27%

Protestant

Mainline – 11%

Evangelical – 13%

Other Protestant – 2%

Latter-day Saint/ Mormon – 11%

Muslim – 2%

Jewish – 1%

Other Religions – 1%

Unaffiliated – 20%

107 posted on 12/20/2009 11:11:07 AM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Elsie

Well apparently not the leadership of the Evangelical Lutheran Church and a bunch of other communist “Churches”


108 posted on 12/20/2009 11:11:38 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, nothing more than bald haired hippies.)
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To: aSeattleConservative
As mentioned in another post, I’m concerned about the religion of atheism, NOT the Mormons.

Well; since that is NOT found in this thread; you'll be leaving us?

109 posted on 12/20/2009 11:12:28 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: bigoil
I hope and pray that Our Lady Queen of Angels....

I think she's dead and awaiting the trumpet blast like all the others who have died in Christ in the last 2000 years...

110 posted on 12/20/2009 11:14:58 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Skenderbej
Is it implied that Mormons are not welcome at Free Republic because they are not Christians?

Not quite...MITTBOT's are not welcome cause Mitt's a RINO!

111 posted on 12/20/2009 11:16:24 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: aSeattleConservative
Lighten up on the Mormons and clear the name of the Lutherans first.

1Ti 5:24-25
Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some [men] they follow after. Likewise also the good works [of some] are manifest beforehand; and they that are otherwise cannot be hid.

112 posted on 12/20/2009 11:20:54 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Secret Agent Man
It’s like asking Conservative Republicans to make amends for what the RINOs believe.

NO...

It’s like asking Flds folks to make amends for what the SLC branch of MORMONism FAILS to believe!

113 posted on 12/20/2009 11:22:14 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut
In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim,
 
 

 

“I Will Be a Second Mohammed”

In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim, “I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1] 

It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels. Consider the following.

  • Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]

  • Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.

  • Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.

  • As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.

  • Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. “I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3]

  • Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.

  • Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed’s followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, believe Mohammed’s son was to be their next leader. Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith’s followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith’s own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.

  • Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.

“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4] In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith’s claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.


[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.”

[2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.8–9. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith  & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 6–7.

[3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.

[4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408–409.


114 posted on 12/20/2009 11:24:20 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Bryanw92
Since then, I have become a Methodist (which is every bit as heretical to many FReepers)...

Depends on WHICH methodists - just like the lutherans...

115 posted on 12/20/2009 11:27:51 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Bryanw92
...Wesleyans denouncing the TULIP of Calvinists...

I've been Wesleyan since '81 and have NEVER heard this in my church.

If anyone wants to believe that GOD controls them and their every move; I guess they can.

(Have I steered this thread away from MORMONs and turned it into a C vs A fight? ;^)

116 posted on 12/20/2009 11:30:33 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: pnh102
So I should conclude from that then you would have no problems with religions which do crash planes into buildings?

You may CONCLUDE whatever your little heart desires; Mr. Grinch!

117 posted on 12/20/2009 11:31:32 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ejonesie22
And some of us can multitask...

MORMONs give evidence of doing it quite well!

Or at least are able to COMPARTMENTALIZE quite well.

118 posted on 12/20/2009 11:32:57 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39

NOW you’ve done it!

I’ll have to come rip your heart out!


119 posted on 12/20/2009 11:34:08 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: aSeattleConservative
By the way, the lookout isn’t watching for the Mormons.

'Cause there will not BE many, as the 60,000 MISSIONARIES got yanked off of their bikes and zapped.

NOW how they gonna corner folks with little biblical knowledge?

120 posted on 12/20/2009 11:36:22 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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