Posted on 12/16/2009 7:38:57 AM PST by PanzerKardinal
MUST be?
Actually, I found the message of St. Matthews-in-the-City just as shocking and saddening as the billboard itself:
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Yes not something that would attract a Christian to attend a service there...
“His death was a consequence of the offensive nature of that hospitality and his resurrection a symbolic vindication. “
Say what ???
> Now you were born in China was it ???
No, born in Canada to British parents. Emigrated as a young adult to New Zealand. Middle aged now.
> Along with that Australian practice of saying Gidday mate
Said here all the time, common usage, has been for a hundred years or more. Our Aussie cousins say “G’dye Mite”, very differently to us.
> As a born and bred New Zealander, I never did see that happen...
As a born and bred New Zealander you have obviously missed the past 50 or so years of Our Nation’s history. Or you have had your head buried deep in the sand.
New Zealand is a Nation of stirrers: the Springbok tour, the Mururoa Atoll protests, No Nukes policy for US Warships &tc &tc &tc. You have been away from Godzone for a very long time, obviously.
And so I gotta be brutally honest:
The country you once knew and loved may not be the country that is now. In which case, you would probably do better to spend more time listening and less time lecturing us Kiwis and your fellow Americans about a country which you may well feel a stranger in today. I mean that kindly. The same would be said for me of Canada. I would not recognize the place anymore.
Your New Zealand has changed. Maybe not for the better, either.
Luke 2:25-32
[25] Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him.
[26] It had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not die before he had seen the Lord's Christ.
[27] Moved by the Spirit, he went into the temple courts. When the parents brought in the child Jesus to do for him what the custom of the Law required,
[28] Simeon took him in his arms and praised God, saying:
[29] "Sovereign Lord, as you have promised, you now dismiss your servant in peace.
[30] For my eyes have seen your salvation,
[31] which you have prepared in the sight of all people,
[32] a light for revelation to the Gentiles and for glory to your people Israel."
Is this what Simeon was talking about?
Just what IS that 'will'?
Just what IS that 'will'?
I see it.
I hope the EXACT requirments did not get messed up over the years with all of the re-telling and not writing down!
Then if what you say is true...
God was merciful to me...
and rescued me out of there and back to the land of my ancestors...
Tennessee Nana UE
Just EXACTLY what did the HOLY GHOST tell you?
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Thank you Elsie for acknowledge that it slip your mind!
When I was younger and read the Bible I have felt the presents of the Holy Spirit in many passages especially in the NT.
When I inquired about the Book of Mormon it was the Holy Spirit that was also present and I have felt the spirit of the Lord when reading the Book of Mormon.
...and such love when I would cross reference between the two Testaments it would bring tears of Joy.
Here it is - to what are you referring?
1If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
3Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
4Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
5And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.
6If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
7Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
8Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
9But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
10And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
11And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.
12If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying,
13Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;
14Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;
15Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.
16And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again.
17And there shall cleave nought of the cursed thing to thine hand: that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and shew thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers;
18When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the LORD thy God.
To which inquisition do you refer? There were several, you know.
And the Church never sold indulgences, though many of her members did. It was to curb such abuses that the Council of Trent was held and the practice of granting indulgences reformed.
In #290 you said: "I have told you and others I have recieve a witness by the Holy Ghost before I ever knew about the Church or missionaries etc!"
NOW you've said...
When I inquired about the Book of Mormon it was the Holy Spirit that was also present and I have felt the spirit of the Lord when reading the Book of Mormon.
So; how can you INQUIRE about the BoM if you never HEARD about the CHURCH?
How do you KNOW it was the Holy Ghost?
Even Satan can appear as an angel of light. And he who testifies of another gospel than the bible is not of God.
I was puzzled in your earlier post about your reference to China re: my migration path to NZ. On reflection it occurs to me, Nana, that you might have had me confused with NZERFROMHK, who is Chinese, posting from the South Island.
> and rescued me out of there and back to the land of my ancestors...
Twenty years ago when I first came to NZ, it was on the cusp of some really fundamental social changes. Two years later, those changes were more-or-less embedded, and since then they have well-and-truly gelled.
Twenty years ago there was no need for the Guardian Angels here. Now there is, and we are getting busier.
I became a Guardian Angel, in part, because my wife got stuck as an innocent bystander in the middle of a knifing / gunplay incident in Henderson — unheard of in NZ not so long ago. I had never felt so helpless in my life as that time, listening in on my cellphone — I was in Taupo on business — to her blow-by-blow report. Terrifying.
NZ is certainly still Godzone, but it isn’t the same wonderful place that I remember when I first got off the aeroplane. Doubtless the change would be even more noticeable for yourself.
Happy Christmas
DieHard
You have asked me this many times somehow you ignore what the Lord has said many times teh Holy Ghost will witness
I know what I have with me as child reading the Bible that sweet taste in many passages of the scriptrues it was the Holy Ghost testifying these words are of the Lord!
Gal 5
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law
The Oppostion has none of these qualities nor could he mimic for they are not with in him.
Precisely. However, the Old Testament is subordinated to the New. It is said to be "pointing" to, or "prefiguring" the "real thing." Jesus even says that Moses wrote about him but he doesn't tell us where. Some diligent scholars have "found" the verse which, just as Isaiah's verses, requires a lot of out-of-context imagination.
To the Church, the Old Testament is a pedigree, a claim to inheritance and a certificate of authenticity. Without it, Christianity would be just another new revealed religion with nothing to fall back on. Christianity was a messianic Jewish sect that used OT prophesies as "proof" that Jesus was the anointed warrior king who will fulfill the OT messianic prophesy of reestablishing God's Kingdom on earthanother name for Israel. [See Acts 16]
No matter how much you want it to be GOD I can only think ye are of little understanding of the BIBLE; which SPECIFICALLY warned of it.
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