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To: Theo
The Pope's that you have quoted had said that because they truly believe that we are the one true church, not out of arrogance but because they had a deep faith that they were speaking the truth. You see it as arrogance because YOU don't believe that. They simply want to keep people from leaving the Church for their souls sake.

I have never personally condemned anybody for not being in my Church. I believe that any God that is merciful enough to sacrifice his only son for our sakes, will take all things into account when determining our souls fate in the afterlife. It is simply not for me to say.

I wish that all Catholics were not painted with a broad brush simply because some of you have problems with our Pope's.

As for arrogance, there is plenty of it coming from the Protestants on this thread. Every church feels that it is the one true Church. The Protestants think that they are right, and the Catholics think that they are right. The Jewish people think that we are all crazy and the Muslims basically hate everybody. That's just the way of the world. When the world finally comes to a close(and with the way things are looking that will probably be soon) we will find out who is right.

So until than, everybody needs to chill out!

605 posted on 12/09/2009 11:14:10 AM PST by Mrs. Frogjerk
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To: Mrs. Frogjerk
The Pope's that you have quoted had said that because they truly believe that we are the one true church, not out of arrogance but because they had a deep faith that they were speaking the truth. You see it as arrogance because YOU don't believe that. They simply want to keep people from leaving the Church for their souls sake.

Understandable.

But by that reasoning, one can argue that Protestants who believe that the distinctive differences between Catholics and Protestants present barriers preventing Catholics from coming to Christ are not arrogant because they also have a deep faith that they are speaking the truth and are trying to save souls. That door swings both ways and if you are going to argue that it is okay for Catholics to make such statements, it follows necessarily from that logic that it ought to be okay for Protestants to make such comments as well without being accused of "arrogance."

There are many on both sides who sincerely believe that they have a monopoly on Truth. The arrogance comes in when one side expects the other to accept the framework of debate solely within its own terms and definitions. Both sides do it way too much for anything fruitful to ever proceed from these debates.

611 posted on 12/09/2009 11:24:45 AM PST by MWS
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To: Mrs. Frogjerk

You wrote, “Every church feels that it is the one true Church.”

I don’t believe that. I simply believe that *Christ* saves us, regardless of denominational affiliation. I lift of Christ, not my church.


636 posted on 12/09/2009 1:20:41 PM PST by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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