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To: NYer; eleni121

“Had the Italian merchants not taken his bones to Italy, what do you suppose the Muslims would have done with them?”

The Mohammedans wouldn’t have gotten them. Likely they’d have stayed in Constantinople with Orthodox monks for near the next 400 years and then have been taken off to Russia by the same Orthodox monks who had cherished them for 1000 years, unless the Roman Catholics stole them during the sack of Constantinople in 1204 when they stole most everything else cherished and revered by the Orthodox Christians.

All of this happened a very long time ago and some progress has been made by the Vatican in cleaning up what its partisan thieves did in the East, but it is apparent from idiotic comments like those made by the “Catholic News Agency” that the organized Catholic media is still living in the Latin LALA land of yesteryear where the Crusaders saved the East’s relics from profanation at the hands of the Mohammedans. That’s a shame. The arrogant stupidity of the CNAs of this world push the day of reunion off even further.


22 posted on 12/06/2009 2:16:03 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis; eleni121
All of this happened a very long time ago ...

Sometimes it is better for our own peace of mind to relinquish the past and move into the present. Does it really matter where the bones of St. Nicholas are kept? Does it matter where pieces of the true cross have been distributed? What does matter is that proper reverence and due respect are given to these objects. Italy is not that far from Greece or Turkey. In an age of high speed rail and aviation, a truly devoted individual could certainly make a pilgrimage to visit these relics. Perhaps it was the will of the saint that his name be elevated in the west where he could bring more souls to our Lord. Who are we to bicker over saintly remains.

I am reminded of the skull of St. Maron. There is no saint more precious to the Maronites than him for their church bears his name.

St. Maroun died around 410 A.D. and willed to be buried in St. Zabina’s tomb in Kita in the region of Cyrrhus. However, his will was not executed because people from different villages wanted to have him buried in their towns. Theodoret’s description of St. Maroun’s burial place<.4) points to the populous town of Barad in the proximity of Kfarnabo. A huge church was built in that town around the beginning of the fifth century A.D. (25).

Inside this church there was a sarcophagus, which possibly contained St. Maroun’s body. According to a Maronite tradition, the followers of St. Maroun carried the relics of the Saint, especially the skull, to St. Maroun’s Monastery or "Beit Maroun" built in 452 A.D. between Hama and Aleppo in Syria.


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The skull was carried to St. Maroun’s Monastery in Kfarhai, Batroun - Lebanon around the turn of the eighth century. Patriarch Douaihy mentions: "When Youhanna (John) Maroun settled in Kfarhai, he built an altar and a monastery after St. Maroun’s name and put St. Maroun’s skull inside the altar to heal the faithful. That’s why the monastery is called "Rish Mro" (Syriac) meaning "Maroun’s head"(26) .

Later, St. Maroun’s skull was taken to Italy. In 1130 A.D. one of the Benedictine monks came tc the region. This monk was the rector of the Cross Afonastery near Foligno-Italy. During his visit he heard about St. Maroun’s skull, and upon retuming home he publicized St. Maroun’s virtues. As a matter of fact, a church was built after St. Maroun’s name in Foligno. The Bishop of Foligno carried the skull to the city in 1194 A.D. and put it in the church of the diocese. The faithful in the city made a statue of silver for St. Maroun and put the skull in it. During his stay in Italy in 1887, Bishop Youssef el-Debs was given some relics of St. Maroun’s skull by the Bishop of Foligno(27).

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I have never heard anyone complain about this transferral of their beloved saint's skull to Italy. If anything, they are grateful that his name has become known in the West.

24 posted on 12/06/2009 2:30:43 PM PST by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone" - Benedict XVI)
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To: Kolokotronis

You are aware I am sure that the parastate of Turkey is demanding the relics back...and since St. Nicholas is a “Turkish” saint according to some bozo writer at CNS — I somehow expect this to happen.


25 posted on 12/06/2009 2:32:02 PM PST by eleni121 (For God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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