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To: 1010RD; MarkBsnr; Kolokotronis
Agreed to a point. What or how do you define divine?

I can't define divine. What I meant was: they don't portray him as God. Don't ask me how does one define God! :)

Words mean something "and" is not "or", "fully" is not "partially". I understand how a child grows, but how can God grow from grace to grace? It doesn't make sense.

Not sure where you are coming form Tenten. Obviously you do not consider Christ as human. God does not grow, but Christ is doctrinally also fully human. If he didn't grow as any other child (under grace), then he wasn't fully human, was he?

1,301 posted on 12/09/2009 3:29:27 PM PST by kosta50 (Don't look up -- the truth is all around you)
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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr; Kolokotronis
What I meant was: they don't portray him as God.

Depends on which God, no? There clearly is some indication that he is moving to theosis, yet is more than a prophet and not as high as Heavenly Father (the most high God?).

Obviously you do not consider Christ as human. God does not grow, but Christ is doctrinally also fully human. If he didn't grow as any other child (under grace), then he wasn't fully human, was he?

He was human, but maybe not in the way we are human. He never sinned and in a Jewish household that would include respecting his parents, which the story in the temple seems to contradict. We are throwing out "doctrine" and trying to get to the essence as captured in the Scriptures, no? If we accept doctrine as the fundamental guidepost then there's no need for a Religion Thread is there? Doctrine gives some clues, but it is political and subject to the unclean hands of men.

So we can logically surmise that a baby Jesus grew physically and spiritually and mentally (wisdom - the righteous application of knowledge?). So that his godhood was suppressed until some future date/act? What other conclusion can you come up with from a plain reading of the text. Must we be constrained by monotheism or polytheism as our only choices? If there is a divine hierarchy, yet Jesus achieves theosis thus equalling Heavenly Father - of whom he says they are one - is it common polytheism as practiced in pagan histories?

1,315 posted on 12/09/2009 9:08:21 PM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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