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To: kosta50
Morality that reflects the objective (!) teachings of God is fixed

You can't even tell me what God objectively is

That is why the (!) is included. There is a body of teachings that have been relatively stable in terms of morality for more than a thousand years. That is what I mean. It is external to the individual; it resides in the Church. What it means is that the individual has a relatively stable set of moral codes that the Church indicates that he ought to follow that exists independently of his moods and his whims.

How would you even know they're from God when you can't tell me what God is?

The Church tells me that they're from God; I believe the Church. I don't know that they are from God; but I have faith in it. I cannot tell you what God is other than the phrases that we both have learned - Creator of All etc. Does it matter that we have no exacting definition of God right here and now? If it comes down to it, define electricity; or electromagnetism, or matter, or energy, or the universe itself, for that matter. You can't. It doesn't invalidate thinking about it, or using it in our everyday lives.

I believe. Credo. Else, we would be a whole lot closer to the robotic existence that our Calvinist friends would have us believe in...

1,282 posted on 12/08/2009 7:45:33 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
Does it matter that we have no exacting definition of God right here and now?

I think it does. Else our belief is nebulous and ill-defined. I think the Church spent many a General Council trying to achieve an exacting definition.

If it comes down to it, define electricity; or electromagnetism, or matter, or energy, or the universe itself, for that matter

How we relate to electricity, electromagnetism, or matter is qualitatively different and incomparable with how we relate topersonal relationshi ; with the latter we do. I believe it is only proper that we know exactly who we have that intimate relationship with, to know exaclty who that person is.

1,284 posted on 12/08/2009 11:04:26 PM PST by kosta50 (Don't look up -- the truth is all around you)
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