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To: MarkBsnr
Does it matter that we have no exacting definition of God right here and now?

I think it does. Else our belief is nebulous and ill-defined. I think the Church spent many a General Council trying to achieve an exacting definition.

If it comes down to it, define electricity; or electromagnetism, or matter, or energy, or the universe itself, for that matter

How we relate to electricity, electromagnetism, or matter is qualitatively different and incomparable with how we relate topersonal relationshi ; with the latter we do. I believe it is only proper that we know exactly who we have that intimate relationship with, to know exaclty who that person is.

1,284 posted on 12/08/2009 11:04:26 PM PST by kosta50 (Don't look up -- the truth is all around you)
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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr
Does it matter that we have no exacting definition of God

What does it mean that one of the key adjectives used is ineffable?

1,286 posted on 12/09/2009 12:15:24 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: kosta50
Does it matter that we have no exacting definition of God right here and now?

I think it does. Else our belief is nebulous and ill-defined. I think the Church spent many a General Council trying to achieve an exacting definition.

It is certainly galling for the intelligent and intellectual to admit defeat in understanding. The Church had to come with as good a definition as they could, but throughout the centuries, it has always admitted that God is unknowable. The Orthodox have even branched out into defining what God is not. That by itself is an admission that we are nowhere near up to the task of defining God.

If it comes down to it, define electricity; or electromagnetism, or matter, or energy, or the universe itself, for that matter How we relate to electricity, electromagnetism, or matter is qualitatively different and incomparable with how we relate topersonal relationshi ; with the latter we do.

You are sounding positively Evangelical here. What kind of personal relationship does a rotifer have with the Creator? The relationship we have (if any) is with the lowered hand of the Creator reaching way down to us.

I believe it is only proper that we know exactly who we have that intimate relationship with, to know exaclty who that person is.

God is on the other side of the gulf that is unknowable and uncrossable for us until our death. We have inadequate descriptions and man made 'maps' of God. The map is not the thing. Descriptions are not the thing. We attempt to make sense out of the infinite and to know the unknowable. We try to create some sort of definition so that we can deal with God in some sort of way. God may have some kind of personal relationship with us, but the other thing that we can have a relationship with is the lowered hand of God reaching out to us.

1,303 posted on 12/09/2009 4:46:12 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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