Posted on 11/17/2009 6:46:44 AM PST by topcat54
the Master Christian Library. A former pastor told me he paid over $10,000 for all of the books it contains.
Looks like a huge mishmosh hodgepodge of out of copyright stuff.
Are you describing the King James Version ?
However it works out, if God said the army will be on horses, then they will be on horses. Even if puny, finite, limited, fallen man can't understand how it could be done.
Check out the Koine Greek.shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiachI find it self deluding to create dogma by 1611 KJV only.
No disrespect, but since you have managed to not present any biblical/exegetical justification for your "notes", all it amount to is a bunch of well-seasoned ...
Of course, I don’t expect you to deal with my postings accurately.
Sadly, there is nothing substantive to deal with.
The Greek original does not establish the futurist version of a carnal kingdom on earth.
In fact, it cannot in light of other passages like 2 Peter 3:10-12.
And pigs could fly.
Pigs will fly before that happens because it is impossible for you to coherently, credibly, believably, and Biblicaly back up your beliefs, whatever the heck they are.
You have no credibility because the only thing you can do is tear down and deny Scripture and verbally assault others with your phony, smug contempt.
Pigs will fly when you are able to make a case for what you say you believe. It will never happen because you simply can't do it.
Well, since I do read and write Koine Greek, perhaps you would care to instruct me. ;)
The verse says what it says. The Lord is coming for JUDGMENT!!! It is explicitly stated in the verse you just cited. Christians have been confessing that since oh long before the AV was written.
I have articulated and defined what I believe in many instances and in sufficient detail to satisfy this forum.
Since it does not comport with futurist nonsense about a secret rapture, rebuilt temples, animal sacrifices, Cobra helicopters, a Chinese army on horseback, nuclear war, massive destruction, you will probably not find it “coherent, credible, believable.”
I actually make no argument regarding the kingdom with that verse, merely the fact that it is stated that the Lord’s judgment is coincident with his appearance.
And I find it so amusing that I was called self deluded for making use of the KJV (which I didn’t). Perhaps it is the dispensationalists who are self deluded for ignoring the clear reading of that verse. I also find it knee slapping amusing that the verse is followed by the warning that people will turn away from listening to the truth and wander after MYTHS. Kinda describes dispensationalism, don’t it.
There is something more going on when you feel the endless compulsion to get on here and rip to shreds anyone who takes Biblical prophecy literally and not as something that is mythology, fantasy, or fable.
And you make yourself look like a kook when an article is posted that is demonstrating a literal fulfillment of a Scriptural prophecy and you can't keep yourself from attempting to debunk it. It's just weird.
Like I said, you can believe what you want to. If you want to cut out the entire Bible, or half of it, or two chapters, that's between you and God. You go too far with your lame, obsessive need to try to tear down anyone who takes the Word of God literally and who posts articles reflecting events which are happening which reflect the literal truth of the Bible.
Everyone has their insecurities. You need to take yours somewhere other than Free Republic.
Like many futurist dispensationalists, you suffer from the mistaken notion that disagreement with you is tantamount to chopping up the Bible and disregarding pieces. Not only is such a view patently wrong, it is also the height of arrogance and demonstrates a willful self-delusion on the part of futurists.
In reality it is the futurist who disregards much of the NT teaching on the nature of Christ’s kingdom and applies a hyper-literal interpretation to selective OT prophecies to support their errant views.
Darby and Scofield, the forefathers of modern futurism, were the masters when it comes to slicing and dicing the Bible to support their preconceptions.
I understand. But some folks wish to take a simple verse and insert their fantasy millennial kingdom without any justification, and ignore other passages that makes such a view impossible.
The verse says what it says. The Lord is coming for JUDGMENT!!! It is explicitly stated in the verse you just cited. Christians have been confessing that since oh long before the AV was written.
You presume a time sequence and date setting from one line of scripture If that be the case then your problem arises from Eisegesis of the text.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
I’m fine if I see the little stick figures running back and forth.
***If that be the case then your problem arises from Eisegesis of the text.***
Oh, brother. The verse is explicit. How long should I wait for you to instruct me in the Greek? Oh, and as topcat pointed out, nowhere in the verse can be found this dispensational idea of a future kingdom.
***You presume a time sequence and date setting from one line of scripture.***
I presume nothing: 2 Ti 4:1 [The Lord Jesus] shall judge the quick and the dead AT HIS APPEARING.
I’m just reading. Can’t help that if it doesn’t meet with your expectation of what the verse should say, but doesn’t.
Umm, and how many times must something be said in Scripture for it to be true? Not that there aren’t other verses which teach that the Lord is coming for judgment. People do love to cite that every teaching is established by the word of two or more. ;) But, really....
How many times does it have to be said before the Bible is no longer lying?
This is the problem of projection. It’s a common disorder among futurists. E.g., claiming eisegesis of your opponent while ignoring the fact that you are reading a futurist millennial kingdom into a passage where it clearly does not belong.
You’ll never discover the truth until you overcome it.
Deu 5:11 'You shall not take the name of Anyone who has the chutzpah to name himself and Calvin
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
using the euphemism ascribed to the creator of the universe : YHvH,
is suspect in their understanding of YHvH and the Word of G-d: Yah'shua. Exd 20:7 "You shall not take the name of
I pray you turn in repentance and seek the face of YHvH. the LORD YHvH your God in vain, for the LORD YHvH will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain. the LORD YHvH your God in vain, for the LORD YHvH will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain.
Less than 24 hours til I have someone praying for my repentence. I think that is a record even for me, though there was this Baptist once that went off his rocker when he found out I was one of those Calvinists in his church. That was kinda fun.
Does this mean you won’t be giving me a lesson in the Greek?
BTW, Calvinus is a beer, twinkletoes. ;)
http://www.calvinus.ch/
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