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To: Zionist Conspirator
No there isn't. It didn't exist until the nineteenth century. Are you telling me that a pure flight of fancy that is only two hundred years old for which proof is inherently impossible has anything positive to contribute vis a vis the immemorial Tradition?

Yes. As long as it doesn't replace immemorial Tradition. But then again we differ on what "immemorial Tradition" is.

This is a pure non-sequitur. See above.

It's only a non-sequitur if we accept your answer as the only possible, true answer. But that's what we're discussing aren't we? Your argument is circular and non-probative. A "non-sequitur" in its own right. Let's move on, shall we?

And islam is closer to the Truth than historical chr*stianity.

Then we disagree. Profundly.

I don't suppose you've ever heard of Torah min Shamayyim?

No, but I've heard of "Torah Min-Hashamayim." Might be a matter of simple spelling and transliteration from the Hebrew.

"The Torah from Heaven," the title of Abraham Joshua Heschel's theological masterpiece. Heschel is a highly-respected theologian on both sides of the Jewish-Christian divide. But, although I've heard of the work, I haven't read it, nor do I know why is it relevant to the divine inspiration and integrity of the Koran, or to the acuity of KJV-Only, Independent, Fundamentalists Baptist a la Pensacola Bible Institute.

You will have to elucidate.

-Theo

11 posted on 11/04/2009 12:20:50 PM PST by Teófilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org - A Catholic Blog of News, Commentary and Opinion)
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To: Teófilo
No there isn't. It didn't exist until the nineteenth century. Are you telling me that a pure flight of fancy that is only two hundred years old for which proof is inherently impossible has anything positive to contribute vis a vis the immemorial Tradition?

Yes.

Thank you for your honesty, though why you don't see it's utter ridiculousness is beyond me. I suppose it has something to do with your "Catholic bona fides," since many Catholic and Orthodox chr*stians seem to look on higher criticism as "non-Protestant street cred," even though it was invented by Protestants (out of thin air, as we both know).

No, but I've heard of "Torah Min-Hashamayim." Might be a matter of simple spelling and transliteration from the Hebrew.

What difference does the definite article make in this case? At any rate, "Torah from Heaven" is a genuine dogma of Judaism, and means that it was written by G-d Himself and not any human being (not even Moses), which sounds an awful lot like the attitude you are belittling.

"The Torah from Heaven," the title of Abraham Joshua Heschel's theological masterpiece. Heschel is a highly-respected theologian on both sides of the Jewish-Christian divide. But, although I've heard of the work, I haven't read it, nor do I know why is it relevant to the divine inspiration and integrity of the Koran, or to the acuity of KJV-Only, Independent, Fundamentalists Baptist a la Pensacola Bible Institute.

You will have to elucidate.

Abraham Joshua Heschel was an apostate who didn't even believe the Torah was from Heaven at all, rendering his title meaningless.

13 posted on 11/04/2009 2:09:36 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vatabbet 'ishto me'acharayv; vatehi netziv melach.)
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