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A Protestant Minister's Unusual Sermon on Reformation Sunday
Patrick Madrid ^ | 10/26/2009 | Patrick Madrid

Posted on 10/26/2009 4:16:56 PM PDT by Patrick Madrid

A few years ago, I slipped into the back of a large Methodist church in the area to hear a sermon delivered by the pastor which had been advertised for several days on the marquee on the lawn in front of the handsome Neo-Gothic stone edifice. I really wanted to hear what he had to say on that particular Sunday.

The occasion of this sermon was what Protestants celebrate as "Reformation Sunday," in remembrance of the sad, tragic rebellion against the Catholic Church. Of course, that's my take on what Reformation Sunday symbolizes. The pastor whose sermon I heard that day had a much different view. . . .

(Excerpt) Read more at patrickmadrid.blogspot.com ...


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To: Marie2
I am just sorry to see a post lamenting the Reformation. It's somewhat like deploring the winning of the Revolutionary War, to me. For me, the Reformation was a time of great liberation for millions, I guess ultimately billions, of people the world over.

Amen!!!

"The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound" -- Isaiah 61:1

"The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised" -- Luke 4:18


301 posted on 10/29/2009 11:25:36 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: RobbyS; Dutchboy88
You think these are only symbols. But you don't even know what they symbolize

That's "mind-reading" and "making it personal;" therefore your comment is in violation of the posted rules of the FR religion forum.

302 posted on 10/29/2009 11:31:27 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

no mind reading when all one has to do is to interpret what you say.


303 posted on 10/29/2009 11:36:22 AM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE HOMO!)
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To: RobbyS
You think... you don't even know ...

Reading the mind of another Freeper is "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

304 posted on 10/29/2009 11:38:00 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Dutchboy88; Petronski
Isn't it funny how dutch protesters both in the Netherlands (godless place -- I've been there, and they are godless, well, all except the Muslims there who are multiplying and a few Christians) worship Paul and Paul exclusively and ignore the teachings of Scripture

Isn't it wonderful, Petronski, to be part of a Church that values the Bible as a whole? And not some sub-sub-splinter group that reads some "tracts" and can only see that in that blinkered light. What a pitiful bunch of bunches, those groups outside The Church, they are arrogant enough to believe that each individual can interpret on their own and they eventually lead to Jehovah's witness and unitarian and mormon beliefs.

A question to Dutchboy88 -- are you a Mormon or a Unitarian? Or perhaps a Jehovah's Witness?
305 posted on 10/29/2009 11:39:12 AM PDT by Cronos (Nuke Mecca NOW!!!)
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To: RobbyS; Dutchboy88
You wrote to Dutchoby88...

"You think these are only symbols."

That is "mind-reading," according to the rules of FR religion forum. You are telling Dutchboy88 what he thinks.

Learn the rules. They make our conversations on FR a lot clearer.

306 posted on 10/29/2009 11:41:05 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Cronos
Isn't it wonderful, Petronski, to be part of a Church that values the Bible as a whole?

I'm very happy in the pews of a Church defined by what WE believe, rather than a storefront cult that defines itself as "not THAT guy," with lies about "THAT guy" yet!

What a sorry way to live.

307 posted on 10/29/2009 11:42:10 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Dutchboy88

As it has been pointed out dozens of times around here, each little tinpot pastor outside The Church has already settled upon what he or she (helloo Benny Hinn!) will allow you to believe the Scripture says. Such is found in the TV evangelists and every two-bit “pastor”. QED.

Protesters may read the Bible for entertainment, to fall asleep, to have a pretty motivational message to put on a sticky at work or to quote “tracts” like “shake the dust off my shoes, you don’t listen” etc.. But, it is not to find out the message of God, the Gospel. That has been determined for them by their pastor and any dispute over their outlandish claims is not tolerated, if you don’t agree, form your own south-central-western reformed anglo-branch of the western presbylutheranian baptistic group. Go ask your local “pastor” if you can read to see if they are right. Watch out for the Puritans, if you do. I hear the burning hearths are still downstairs.


308 posted on 10/29/2009 11:43:24 AM PDT by Cronos (Nuke Mecca NOW!!!)
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To: Mr Rogers
Those that are not based in scripture will believe anything they want...

You mean like sola Scriptura?

That's not based in Scripture. It's a false tradition of men.

309 posted on 10/29/2009 11:44:20 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Dutchboy88
Seems like Cronos beat me to it. But, such is the Catholic way.

So, when are you joining The Church and leaving the wailing and gnashing of teeth?
310 posted on 10/29/2009 11:46:03 AM PDT by Cronos (Nuke Mecca NOW!!!)
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To: Mr Rogers

There were several men who claimed to be pope. These men has successors who forwarded that claim. Not until a Council did they finally fasten on one man. the office itself remained undivided, so eventually they had to sort out whose actions would stand as official. Again: the principle of a papacy was never challenged until Luther”s time.


311 posted on 10/29/2009 11:47:05 AM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE HOMO!)
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To: Mr Rogers; Marysecretary
It is believed by those churches holding Sola Scriptura. Those that are not based in scripture will believe anything they want, but you cannot blame those who hold to Sola Scriptura for the beliefs of those who do not!

That's the tricky bit -- it's not then possible to say that "most protestant churches believe that salvation comes only through faith in Jesus Christ." There are so many varied beliefs of Protestants, like for example, what's the difference between Mennonites and Amish???
312 posted on 10/29/2009 11:47:50 AM PDT by Cronos (Nuke Mecca NOW!!!)
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To: Petronski
itself as "not THAT guy," with lies about "THAT guy" yet!

Bbbut, THAT guy, he eats his fried eggs sunny side UP. How horrendous! His group have to split into the sunny-side uppers and the sunny-side downers
313 posted on 10/29/2009 11:50:32 AM PDT by Cronos (Nuke Mecca NOW!!!)
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To: Cronos
What's that? Over easy????

INFIDEL!

314 posted on 10/29/2009 11:51:40 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: vladimir998

The Church did not want the people to read the Bible, but primarily because the Bible is very hard to understand without guidance. The Koran is a single book, but the Muslim community has produced tons of commentary to insure that it is properly interpreted. The Bible is not a single book but a library of books; how much more difficult to interpret them. Compare the Song of Songs with Genesis, for instance.


315 posted on 10/29/2009 12:19:25 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

No, I am reading what he is writing . He is mischaracterizing what he is talking about. As if he had said that the communion host is a “cracker.”


316 posted on 10/29/2009 12:23:43 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Petronski

Does The Bible Teach Sola Scriptura?

James White vs. Patrick Madrid
September 28, 1993
Bayview Orthodox Presbyterian Church
Chula Vista, California

http://vintage.aomin.org/SANTRAN.html

Enjoy. Both sides are presented.


317 posted on 10/29/2009 12:27:02 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Cronos

“That’s the tricky bit — it’s not then possible to say that “most protestant churches believe that salvation comes only through faith in Jesus Christ.” There are so many varied beliefs of Protestants...”

The word “most” covers it adequately. As I said before, it is illegitimate to use the position of a church that rejects Sola Scriptura to discuss the beliefs of those that do. It would be like blaming the Pope’s theology on Calvin...


318 posted on 10/29/2009 12:31:28 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: RobbyS

“The Church did not want the people to read the Bible, but primarily because the Bible is very hard to understand without guidance.”

More precisely, it is a very hard document to pull Catholic doctrine out of, since so much of the doctrine isn’t found there.

If you need help in understanding it, I suggest prayer, and perhaps this website:

http://deeperstudy.com/link/commentaries.html


319 posted on 10/29/2009 12:33:35 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Religion Moderator

I assume that people think while writing. But I will correct this to say that he provides a list of words he associates with the Catholic Church, a list of shibboleths, and that evidently he knows little about these things.


320 posted on 10/29/2009 12:33:59 PM PDT by RobbyS
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