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Posted on 10/26/2009 4:16:56 PM PDT by Patrick Madrid
A few years ago, I slipped into the back of a large Methodist church in the area to hear a sermon delivered by the pastor which had been advertised for several days on the marquee on the lawn in front of the handsome Neo-Gothic stone edifice. I really wanted to hear what he had to say on that particular Sunday.
The occasion of this sermon was what Protestants celebrate as "Reformation Sunday," in remembrance of the sad, tragic rebellion against the Catholic Church. Of course, that's my take on what Reformation Sunday symbolizes. The pastor whose sermon I heard that day had a much different view. . . .
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I’m not Roman.
The “food” is not hubris, but the self-revelation you might achieve by learning about hubris.
That may be. But, they, like Rome, diverged to their own peril.
Good to see facts don’t sway your faith!
The facts are not on your side. Henry VIII killed Tyndale.
I think this is what you and the others I posted to have been trying to say all along and others cannot, or will not see it.
***He killed Thomas More before Tyndale died, and Tyndale died for heresy under Charles V, not Henry VIII.***
Are you sure? Tyndale died in 1536. Henry Tudor died in 1547. The actual convictions according a variety of sources that I’ve seen were treason AND heresy, some combination of them both. Henry broke with Rome in 1533; he was acting in his own stead, and not as a Catholic during the hunt for Tyndale. He went along with the Catholic charges of heresy, but he had his own treason worked in there because the 1530 book Practyse of Prelates, and subsequent personal attacks on Henry enraged him.
Where was Tyndale arrested?
Who tried Tyndale?
Where was he tried?
Who was the monarch of that location?
Who was Queen at the time of Tyndale’s trial?
Was she a supporter or opponent of Tyndale?
While Tyndale had opposed Henry VIII’s divorce, had he also written that the King should hold sway in his own country, without influence from the Pope?
***”What matters is that there are many and many more each day; each diverging more and more from Christianity.”
That may be. But, they, like Rome, diverged to their own peril.***
The Catholic Church has not diverged; it is the children of the Reformation that have strayed.
***Henry was mildly supportive of Tyndale at the time of his arrest, due to the influence of Queen Anne. A letter was sent in his name to support mercy for Tyndale, but it wasn’t well received on the continent, which knew full well that Henry had no problem with burning heretics, including those from Belgium.***
It may be that it was simply appeasement to Queen Anne. Henry certainly did not relent in searching for Tyndale, nor did he ever act in calling off his own agents.
Baloney.
So, you don’t think the Bible is the true word of God and the basis for all Christians. If so, you are so wrong.
It's not hard to understand, unless you're under the man-made tradition of once saved, always saved. With their faith declaration locking in salvation, asking for forgiveness, or not, if they commit a sin doesn't change their status. Asking forgiveness is just an unrequired "work" to some.
Also, the point of asking forgiveness isn't so one can go out and "sin boldly" according to ones desires. It is just the opposite.
***Baloney.***
I prefer a good ham or hard salami.
What's even more difficult, or impossible, for some people to understand, or grasp the Scriptural truth of, is that faith without works is dead.
Tyndale was pursued by agents probably paid for by the British government, and most probably at the behest of More, who hated Tyndale. There is conjecture there, since no one has established with certainty who paid.
Tyndale was in the Low Countries at his arrest. They fell under Charles V. I think a charge of treason would have required extradition to England, increasing Tyndale’s chances of escape and decreasing the chance of conviction. Heresy, however, could be prosecuted in the country of arrest for any person of any nationality. Tyndale’s writings were definitely heresy, as then defined, and it carried the death penalty. Tyndale’s only hope would be recanting (not likely, given his personality) or leniency.
While Queen Anne had influence, Henry VIII might be willing to support leniency, and Cromwell wrote 2 letters in September 1535. She was pregnant around then, having temporarily been reconciled to Henry. The failure of her pregnancy in Jan 1536 killed what small chance Tyndale had of getting any further support from England - which wasn’t much help, since the letters had already been rejected on the Continent.
Tyndale was murdered by Henry VIII.
“With their faith declaration locking in salvation, asking for forgiveness, or not, if they commit a sin doesn’t change their status. Asking forgiveness is just an unrequired “work” to some.”
No Reformer taught that. Some modern day TV preachers do, but not the Reformers.
Don't try to read my mind. You're not any good at it.
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