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Can Non-Catholics Be Saved?
Inside Catholic ^ | October 24, 2009 | Mark Shea

Posted on 10/25/2009 5:47:50 AM PDT by NYer

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Mark P. Shea is a senior editor for www.CatholicExchange.com and a columnist for InsideCatholic. Visit his blog at markshea.blogspot.com
1 posted on 10/25/2009 5:47:51 AM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer

PLEASE READ THIS THROUGH IN ITS ENTIRETY BEFORE POSTING COMMENTS!


2 posted on 10/25/2009 5:48:30 AM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

Sunday blessings to all, ping!


3 posted on 10/25/2009 5:49:04 AM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer
Rather, the Church teaches that because
validly baptized non-Catholics
are real members of the Body of Christ,
they share in the life of the Blessed Trinity
and therefore share with Catholics the hope of salvation.

4 posted on 10/25/2009 5:50:50 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: NYer
PLEASE READ THIS THROUGH IN ITS ENTIRETY BEFORE POSTING COMMENTS!

Oh, please...

                


5 posted on 10/25/2009 5:52:20 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: NYer

It’s up to God of course, but I’m sure the answer is “Yes.”


6 posted on 10/25/2009 5:52:47 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (This tagline excerpted. To read more, click on MyOverratedBlog.com)
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To: Larry Lucido
It’s up to God of course, but I’m sure the answer is “Yes.”

Quite right on both counts.

7 posted on 10/25/2009 5:53:18 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: NYer

If one believes the doctrines of the Roman Catholic church, as well as many protestant cults, they are probably not saved as they place they preach another Jesus than the Scriptures preach.
I was a Catholic until I read the Scriptures and kneeled in my house and asked Jesus the Son of God to save me from my sin and make me one of His own.
1COR 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

1COR 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

1COR 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

1COR 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:


8 posted on 10/25/2009 5:53:49 AM PDT by kindred (In the beginning, God created the heavens in the earth. Jesus is God our Saviour.)
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[PLEASE READ THIS THROUGH IN ITS ENTIRETY BEFORE POSTING COMMENTS!]

GAL 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)

GAL 1:2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:

GAL 1:3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,

GAL 1:4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

GAL 1:5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

GAL 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

GAL 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

GAL 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

GAL 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

GAL 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

GAL 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

GAL 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

GAL 1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews’ religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:

GAL 1:14 And profited in the Jews’ religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.

GAL 1:15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’s womb, and called me by his grace,

GAL 1:16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

GAL 1:17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.

GAL 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.

GAL 1:19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord’s brother.

GAL 1:20 Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not.

GAL 1:21 Afterwards I came into the regions of Syria and Cilicia;

GAL 1:22 And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ:

GAL 1:23 But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.

GAL 1:24 And they glorified God in me.


9 posted on 10/25/2009 5:56:11 AM PDT by kindred (In the beginning, God created the heavens in the earth. Jesus is God our Saviour.)
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I am immediately suspect about ANY church or demonination which claims only their members can be saved.

The thief on the cross next to Jesus was told that that day he would enter paradise with Him, and all he said was, “Lord, remember me when you enter your kingdom”, a simple statement of faith in Jesus as God dying on the cross FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD.

Any church which claims only their members can be saved is a CULT.


10 posted on 10/25/2009 6:01:05 AM PDT by deannadurbin
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To: kindred
If one believes the doctrines of the Catholic Church, as well as many protestant cults, they are probably not saved as they place they preach another Jesus than the Scriptures preach.

No, what the Catholic Church preaches is another Jesus than your own personal interpretation of Scripture preaches.

11 posted on 10/25/2009 6:03:34 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: kindred
I was a Catholic until I read the Scriptures and kneeled in my house and asked Jesus the Son of God to save me from my sin and make me one of His own.

What assurance do you have that your sins were forgiven? As a Catholic, you have one of the most beautiful gifts given by Christ - the Sacrament of Reconciliation. You recognize, of course, that in the Gospel of John 20:23 - Jesus says, "If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven. If you retain the sins of any, they are retained." In order for the apostles to exercise this gift of forgiving sins, the penitents must orally confess their sins to them because the apostles are not mind readers. The text makes this very clear.

12 posted on 10/25/2009 6:06:05 AM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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A really good read and thank-you very much for dispelling error and raising unity and hope in Christ with this post.

Blessings

Mel


13 posted on 10/25/2009 6:06:58 AM PDT by melsec (A Proud Aussie)
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To: Petronski

Catholicism is nothing more than the pharisizing of Jesus’s teachings.


14 posted on 10/25/2009 6:13:42 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right
Catholicism is nothing more than the pharisizing of Jesus’s teachings.

I can believe anonymous internet guy or I can believe Christ.

Sorry, anonymous internet guy.

15 posted on 10/25/2009 6:14:53 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: deannadurbin
I am immediately suspect about ANY church or demonination which claims only their members can be saved.

See post #1!!

16 posted on 10/25/2009 6:15:07 AM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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Bump for later need to pop a 5 gallon bucket of popcorn


17 posted on 10/25/2009 6:15:48 AM PDT by Popman (Am I still a racist if I disgree with Obama white half ???)
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To: Petronski; kosta50; Petrosius

“We declare, say, define and pronounce, that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.”

The nuancing of this into what the posted article says is complete nonsense. To say that Boniface VIII meant something other than what he said is nothing more than a futile attempt to maintain the fiction of the infallibility doctrine of Vatican I. I am sure the Latin Church wants to believe this. I am sure it wants the Orthodox to believe this. I don’t think we Orthodox should allow the Latin Church that fig leaf.

The way to deal with Unam Santam is to admit that Boniface VIII was simply wrong. The proclamation of dogma by Popes sua sponte has had precisely the sort of unforeseen consequences one would expect to flow from a heresy like the notion of papal infallibility.

P. do you think that Unam Sanctam could have come out of a true Ecumenical Council, even in 1302? You and I both know it wouldn’t have.


18 posted on 10/25/2009 6:15:52 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: melsec
And THANK YOU! for taking the time to read through the entire posting.
19 posted on 10/25/2009 6:16:35 AM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: Kolokotronis
“We declare, say, define and pronounce, that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.”

I notice it does not say "...absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to declare themselves to be be subject to the Roman Pontiff.”

20 posted on 10/25/2009 6:22:52 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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