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So unless you want to partake in the debate between YEC and OEC, which by the way is a Christian in house debate, then go find another thread to disrupt.

OneVike - May I offer my two cents on your thread? Disclosure: I accept the theory of evolution as fact. But that isn't my point at all.

I applaud this thread and encourage what you are trying to do here. For years I've been interested in the factions of creationists - both in the real world and on Free Republic. The top creationist thread starter here posts articles touting "Intelligent Design" on a daily basis and yet, he himself is a YEC. Many times I've asked him how he can support ID, which clearly states such things as "God is not part of this paradigm," and the "top" IDer, Michael Behe, accepts modification through common descent and an old earth among other things. He admitted under oath that ID is equal to astrology in terms of scientific merit.

We have geocentrists here. We have OECs and YECs. All point to the bible as their guide in such things - but none have the temerity to debate among themselves. They prefer to just write how stupid evolution is.

I think the internal debate (YEC vs OEC, geo vs heliocentrists, Flood vs. Not really a worldwide flood, etc) is great. It doesn't happen enough... and I wish this thread would really delve into it.

And that is why I wrote the article to draw those who wish to discuss it. So far I have yet to get many takers, a few, but not what i was hoping for.

This is an argument that needs to take place, however I feel it may have been a practice in futility seeings how those who are pure evolutionists and not Christian would rather come by and discuss other matters while the Christians are too worried about offending eachother to get into a serious debate about the particulars of my points.

Notice how I attacked the problem purely from a Scriptural basis, not scientific, because being an in-house debate it needs to be debated upon the merits of the Scriptures.

This is not a criticism of my fellow Christians, but it does show how we as Christians find it difficult to come to the table and properly discuss matters of such importance. Remember, even Western and Eastern Christendom permanently divided, never to have councils to hash out problems again. Christians sometimes are most stubborn when it comes to discussing differences withing the realm of our own faith.

I find this as important as the discussion of the merits and of the Trinity, others do not. In the long run it is our children who will suffer because we as Christians have compromised with the Devil.

As for the ID crowd, some agree with me and others disagree with me. I do find their investigative work to be very helpful, but I do with all honest scientific study. I have no problem with the ID label, as long as they claim the the only intelligent Designer is God. There are those debates that i will be standing with those who do not look to God as the designer, but that would only be in a debate that is discussing the merits of the studies and science, not theology.

Just as I can stand with a godless evolutionist when the debate is about Liberal Democrats and the laws they wish to pass. Sometimes the enemy of my enemy is a friend of mine. We must know when and where to pick our battles.

Today, my battle is with those who profess a belief in Christianity, but give deference to Darwin’s theory of evolution instead of God through Christ by the power of the Holy Spirit for Creation.

I think the internal debate (YEC vs OEC, geo vs heliocentrists, Flood vs. Not really a worldwide flood, etc) is great. It doesn't happen enough... and I wish this thread would really delve into it.

So, are you going to answer the question of *Why*?

You are an evolutionist. Everyone knows where you stand.

Why do you consider it so great that there is an internal debate between YEC and OEC?

Why do you think that it doesn't happen enough?

Why do you wish this thread would really delve into it?

What do you hope to gain from a debate like that considering your evolutionist views?

Are you hoping to learn something?