“It was pronounced a fraud in 1389 by Bishop Pierre D’Arcis, who claimed to have talked to the man who painted it.”
I guess this Bishop was lying.
That would be a poor guess.
A lie is an intentional falsehood. What evidence do you have that the Bishop knew he was speaking a falsehood?
He may very well have talked to a painter who claimed to have painted it.
He may very well have believed the painter.
If he did, then he not lie. But the painter may or may not have.
And you have no way to know. So your snide comment is silly.
But since you know for sure that the Shroud is a fake, you automatically believe that a painter told the bishop this so you take the bishop as an authority.
It only works if you’ve already made up your mind about the Shroud.
But in 1389, evidence about whether it was or was not painted was relatively limited. And modern evidence that it’s not paint but blood was impossible to them. So a reasonable person in 1389 could well believe that it was painted. Now for someone to claim he’s the painter of it, that’s a different story. But since we have not way to know anything about who this painter was that the bishop talked to, I guess as historians we’d have to reserve judgment on this painter’s veracity and the bishop’s acumen in believing him.
Unless, of course, we already know that the Shroud is a fake today.
Your prejudices today mess you up in your reading of history.
I have no problem believing that a lot of people believed it was painted in 1389. I have no problem believing someone claimed to have been the painter. I have no way to verify now that claim via the bishop.
But I can look at modern forensic and historical evidence and reach a judgment about the Shroud.
1389 is irrelevant.
More likely the painter did. If eyewiness testimony conflicts with forensics, the forensics win, and the shroud is not painted or stained.
I’m figuring that if anyone subjects this new fake mentioned in the article to microscopic analysis, they’ll find the fibers are deeply pigmented, whereas the shroud is not.
I guess this Bishop was lying.
possibly.