[CTrent1564]

American Constitutionalist:

You are quoting scripture to and audience [secular humanist] that does not want to hear it. Fr. Spitzer is coming from a cosmological perspective to get to the existence of God and doing it in a way that challenges “secular humanistic moral relativistic culture”, and thus his arguments are not aimed for those who already believe in God, rather, it is a way to make the rationalistic atheist come to the conclusion that science itself, which is also part of God’s creation points back to the Creator himself, for as Pope John Paul II, of blessed memory, stated, Truth can’t contradict Truth.

Thus, Science itself and creation reveals the great creative power of God and thus scientific truths and theological truths are not competing philosophies as they all come from God, who as the Nicene Creed states, “I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of Heavan and Earth and all things seen and unseen”

regards

[American Constitutionalist]

[American Constitutionalist]

" You are quoting scripture to and audience [secular humanist] that does not want to hear it. "

Understood, and your point taken...

However ? .... " Do not want to hear it " ... is at the " HEART " of the matter ....
Those scriptures explain why that the things of God can not be understood by the natural man ( humanistic, un saved )
because they have to be seen by the Holy Spirit of God , and spiritually discerned by the Holy Spirit of God.

Once again, it's a matter of the heart.

[annalex]

God is triune and the empirical evidence points to the Triune God. The evidence of the creaton points to the Creator, the evidence of the Gospel points to the Son, and the evidence of the Church Militant 2,000 years later points to the Holy Spirit in our midst.

Neither of these three has a materialistic explanation.