[American Constitutionalist]

" You are quoting scripture to and audience [secular humanist] that does not want to hear it. "

Understood, and your point taken...

However ? .... " Do not want to hear it " ... is at the " HEART " of the matter ....
Those scriptures explain why that the things of God can not be understood by the natural man ( humanistic, un saved )
because they have to be seen by the Holy Spirit of God , and spiritually discerned by the Holy Spirit of God.

Once again, it's a matter of the heart.

[CTrent1564]

annalex and American Constitutionalist:

Good thread and good posts by both of you. I am in total agreement with the orthodox Catholic teaching on the Holy Trinity. I was only quoting an excerpt from the Nicene Creed to make a point, i.e. that secular atheist, whose sole creed is based on rationalism and empiricism are confronted with evidence that points to a Creator, then perhaps their minds and thus hopefull their hearts will be open to the Christianity and faith in the Holy Trinity.

So Fr. Spitzer who is a very orthodox Jesuit and an excellent academic [he has a Ph.D. in Physics, I think, along with Cosmology] and scholar is the type of Catholic Priest who has the ability to confront secular humanism on scientific grounds and thus open them up to the reality of God and then hopefully that will lead to faith in Christ and of course as a Catholic, I hope into full communion with the Catholic Church.

Regards