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To: Monkey Face
I’ve met you before, I’m sure, either here, on a Religion Thread, or at my front door.

(Almost sounds like I might be more omnipresent than the Mormon god, who can only be in one place at one time!)

48 posted on 09/20/2009 6:23:20 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
...(Almost sounds like I might be more omnipresent than the Mormon god, who can only be in one place at one time!)...

You are SO misinformed.

57 posted on 09/20/2009 6:29:58 PM PDT by Monkey Face (I wear a yellow ribbon for ForgotenKnight, my army hero grandson.)
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To: Colofornian
(Almost sounds like I might be more omnipresent than the Mormon god, who can only be in one place at one time!)

I'm just SPEECHLESS!

He DID tell JS to "listen to him" and then 'him' never did say anything!



125 posted on 09/21/2009 4:49:14 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
(Almost sounds like I might be more omnipresent than the Mormon god, who can only be in one place at one time!)

I'm just SPEECHLESS!

He DID tell JS to "listen to him" and then 'him' never did say anything!


 Joseph Smith's 1832 account

The earliest extant account of the First Vision was handwritten by Joseph Smith in 1832, but it was not published until 1965.[77]

[T]he Lord heard my cry in the wilderness and while in <the> attitude of calling upon the Lord <in the 16th year of my age> a pillar of fire light above the brightness of the sun at noon day come down from above and rested upon me and I was filled with the spirit of god and the <Lord> opened the heavens upon me and I saw the Lord and he spake unto me saying Joseph <my son> thy sins are forgiven thee. go thy <way> walk in my statutes and keep my commandments behold I am the Lord of glory I was crucifyed for the world that all those who believe on my name may have Eternal life <behold> the world lieth in sin and at this time and none doeth good no not one they have turned aside from the gospel and keep not <my> commandments they draw near to me with their lips while their hearts are far from me and mine anger is kindling against the inhabitants of the earth to visit them according to th[e]ir ungodliness and to bring to pass that which <hath> been spoken by the mouth of the prophets and Ap[o]stles behold and lo I come quickly as it [is] written of me in the cloud <clothed> in the glory of my Father . . . ."[78]

Unlike later accounts of the vision, the emphasis of the 1832 account is on the young Joseph's quest for personal forgiveness. The account does not mention an appearance of God the Father, nor does it mention the phrase "This is my beloved Son, hear him." In the 1832 account, Smith also stated that before he experienced the First Vision, his own searching of the Scriptures had led him to the conclusion that mankind had "apostatized from the true and living faith and there was no society or denomination that built upon the Gospel of Jesus Christ as recorded in the new testament."[79]

 

It's SO confusing!

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Vision



"Either Joseph Smith talked with the Father and the Son or he did not. If he did not, we are engaged in a blasphemy."[109]

Gordon Hinkley - 1961

 

 

"[I]t's either true or false. If it's false, we're engaged in a great fraud. If it's true, it's the most important thing in the world....That's our claim. That's where we stand, and that's where we fall, if we fall. But we don't. We just stand secure in that faith."[110]Gordon Hinkley -  January 2007 - PBS documentary "The Mormons," 


126 posted on 09/21/2009 5:08:16 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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