...elevating smith to the level of a demi-god on earth, pure and chaste before all man as mormon apologists do is a lie in the face of the clearly established facts of history... [Godzilla]
The Lds church in 2007 publications is still ensuring that 1994 Ensign quotes like this one from Lds President Howard W. Hunter gets full play -- first inserting words from a praise hymn to Joseph Smith in the Mormon hymnal directly prior to Hunter's words so that a full hymnal context could not be lost upon the reader:
Praise to the man who communied with Jehovah
Jesus anointed that Prophet and Seer
Blessed to open the last dispensation
Kings shall extol him, and nations revere
President Howard W. Hunter: We praise [Joseph Smith] for his capacity to commune not only with Jehovah but also with other personages of heaven. So many visited, gave keys, and tutored that 'choice seer... raised up in the later days...We praise Joseph Smith, too, for his diligence and capacity to translate and receive hundreds of pages of revealed scripture. (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith, p. 550)
The brackets above are the Lds church insertion, not mine...the elipses are the Lds church's editing, not mine (lest DU accuse me again of hacking something "out of context").
And for further context, the Lds church titled chapter 47 of that book as "'Praise to the Man': Latter-day Prophets Bear Witness of the Prophet Joseph Smith". The chapter then sickenly goes on where 20 Lds "prophets" and leaders go on and on about a man who didn't glorify Jesus Christ and instead absorbed the glory from these men. (Over two-thirds of their "testimonial" praises of Smith neglected to even mention Jesus or the Son of God).
A prophet who usurps the attention of Jesus is a competitor. And the Son of God entertains no rivals.
I realized that I had allowed you to make me angry, I was angry because I had begun to expect honesty from you and you disappointed me, I Gave you too much credit. So, I took a couple of days to respond. I still think that what you said is unconscionable, I think that this poster says a lot about the information you posted [DU]
Note, Godzilla, that DU's accusation of "I had begun to expect honesty from you and you disappointed me... is essentially a comment from the chip off the old false prophet:
Smith simply couldn't understand why "honest men" -- upon seeing the "greatness" of his "revelations" -- didn't reaffirm him as "God's right-hand man" (another claim he made). After going on and on like he was some reviewer of a great literary piece (D&C 76), which he himself wrote, he claimed it was "so much beyond the narrow-mindedness of men, that every honest man is constrained to exclaim: 'It came from God' (Lds "prophet" Wilford Woodruff, Deseret News, 10/18/1881).
"Why," Smith concludes, "if you just don't see the radiance in my seer abilities and prose..." then it's almost as if he presumed men's dishonesty when they heartily disagreed with him in their evaluation of his content.
The Lds church in 2007 publications is still ensuring that 1994 Ensign quotes like this one from Lds President Howard W. Hunter gets full play -- first inserting words from a praise hymn to Joseph Smith in the Mormon hymnal directly prior to Hunter's words so that a full hymnal context could not be lost upon the reader:
Praise to the man who communed with Jehovah!
Jesus annointed that Prophet and Seer.
Blessed to open the last dispensation,
Kings shall extol him, and nations revere.
Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.
Praise to his mem'ry, he died as a martyr;
Honored and blest be his ever great name!
Long shall his blood, which was shed by assasins,
Plead unto heav'n while the earth lauds his fame.
Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.
Great is his glory and endless his priesthood.
Ever and ever the keys he will hold.
Faithful and true he will enter his kingdom,
Crowned in the midst of the prophets of old.
Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.
Sacrifice brings forth the blessings of heaven;
Earth must atone for the blood of that man.
Wake up the world for the conflict of justice.
Millions shall know 'Brother Joseph' again.
Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.
So, so true comments and observations C
I realized that I had allowed you to make me angry, I was angry because I had begun to expect honesty from you and you disappointed me, I Gave you too much credit. So, I took a couple of days to respond. I still think that what you said is unconscionable, I think that this poster says a lot about the information you posted [DU]
Note, Godzilla, that DU's accusation of "I had begun to expect honesty from you and you disappointed me... is essentially a comment from the chip off the old false prophet:
I would be angry too if I had to defend the undefendable actions lies and deceptions of smith in regards to polygamy. He has, as a man, to answer to His God. BUT the problem, the heresy, the abomination, was Joseph used God’s name to justify all of this. mormonism embraces a man who did not hesitate to use God’s name to justify ANYTHING.
