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To: roamer_1
It has certainly been a while since I have been called upon to defend this as such, but I can hardly see how it can be avoided in the great prophets,

Perhaps that is due to your preconceptions on the topic, rather than the text itself.

Revelation 15:3 Two songs, one for the Jews, and one for the Church.

One of the frustrations here is that it is impossible to critique this style of presentation because the unstated assumptions and presuppositions that leads one to interpret (I use that phrase loosly in this case) the passages in the way you suggest. After all, you have not actually quoted the passage and done a word by word or phrase by phrase walk through in order to come to your conclusion. You have moved from the given to the conclusions without doing any real work. It’s as if the conclusion is so obvious that no real work is necessary to prove the conclusion. While the conclusions may be obvious to the adherents to your system, they are not so obvious to everyone else.

For example, take the passage above, Rev. 15:3 and explain how you come to your conclusion. This will demonstrate to all what presuppositions we must adopt in order to arrive at your conclusions.

546 posted on 09/23/2009 4:53:30 PM PDT by topcat54 ("If Israel is 'God's prophetic clock,' then dispensationalists do not know how to tell time.")
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To: topcat54; roamer_1; Blogger; Outership; Marysecretary
After all, you have not actually quoted the passage and done a word by word or phrase by phrase walk through in order to come to your conclusion. You have moved from the given to the conclusions without doing any real work.

What a grandiose example of another huge pile of stinking REPLACEMENTARIAN et al rationalized hypocrisy.

Most of the Dispies hereon for any serious length of time have learned the hard way that REPLACEMENTARIANS et al VIRTUALLY NEVER bother with doing a shred of the above AT ALL.

And on the rare occasions when they hint in that direction, they never use authentic UNRUBBERIZED BIBLES OR AUTHENTIC UNRUBBERIZED DICTIONARIES OR AUTHENTIC UNRUBBERIZED HISTORIES OR AUTHENTIC UNRUBBERIZED LOGIC TEXTS.

Obviously, roamer, the above protestation is a pile of stinking paper mache dogs.

Evidently it's also an example of another wild haired REPLACEMENTARIAN et al fantasy that OTHER FOLKS SHOULD PLAY BY THEIR RULES but they don't have to bother in the least. REAL IMPRESSIVE, that.

You'll note that the list of Scriptures I posted just above has only resulted in a garbage can gif. Cute.

We should certainly avoid holding our breaths waiting for the kind of response to those Scriptures that you've been chided about failing to 'measure up to.' Gag me with a very big spoon.

549 posted on 09/23/2009 9:27:24 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: topcat54
[roamer_1] It has certainly been a while since I have been called upon to defend this as such, but I can hardly see how it can be avoided in the great prophets,

Perhaps that is due to your preconceptions on the topic, rather than the text itself.

No, I would suggest it is due to the self evident nature of the topic - It rather goes without saying for the most part. Of all people, I am hardly one to be accused of having preconceptions, having rejected most everything from Catholicism, Protestantism, and etcetera.

For example, take the passage above, Rev. 15:3 and explain how you come to your conclusion. This will demonstrate to all what presuppositions we must adopt in order to arrive at your conclusions.

Here's the passage in it's context:


Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
Rev 15:3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvelous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.
Rev 15:4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.

(e-Sword:KJV)

Here's my brief comment on the verse:

Revelation 15:3 Two songs, one for the Jews, and one for the Church.

The point being that Moses and Christ are represented - Both Covenants, Law and Grace, the whole enchilada.

How I arrive at that conclusion is by the preponderance of the evidence in the Word and in the Prophecy. As the last book in the Bible, it is quite easy to come to this conclusion by the time one gets to it, if it's literal context isn't enough.

One must only read the Book, and study what it says.

What do you suppose it means?

And out of all those verses, you point to one? Out of everything I posted, this is what you center on?

584 posted on 09/25/2009 3:26:19 AM PDT by roamer_1 (It takes a (Kenyan) village to raise an idiot.)
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