Posted on 08/29/2009 8:14:40 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
Members of the Aetherius Society from as far afield as Australia and Ghana joined the pilgrimage to the Old Man of Coniston.
They believe the mountain is one of 19 across the world which have been “charged” with spiritual energy by extra-terrestrials from Venus and Mars.
Members of the society say their founder, George King, was able to contact religious figure heads – including Jesus, Buddha and Krishna – who they believe to be aliens. He transmitted the energy from their messages of peace to the mountains in the 1950s.
Society member David Trimble, 70, who was among those who joined the trek, hailed the event as a great success, in spite of difficult weather conditions.
He said: “It was absolutely fantastic. We divided into three prayer teams – one at the bottom, one two thirds of the way up and one right at the top. We prayed for world peace and sent energy out to all the trouble spots of the world including Iraq, Iran and the Sudan.”
According to society members, the 2,635ft Old Man was “charged” by Dr King in December 1958. Since then, it has been a place of biannual pilgrimage for society members, who hope to use the energy to alleviate world suffering.
Mr Trimble, who recently moved from Dalston to Barnsley, added: “These alien beings are trying to help mankind and, in terms of the mountains, we can generate an enormous amount of power. We’ve literally been able to move mountains and stop wars.”
The pilgrimage was led by Mervyn Smith, a former Coniston resident who now lives in London and has climbed the fell more than 500 times before.
At the same time, similar meetings were held at other “charged” mountains around the world.
***That is what I have been trying to say! The works of man are as filthy rags before God. This includes the works that the RCO doctrine is based on.***
What is the RCO?
Oh wow OK. Thank you very much for posting this. That’s quite a difference. Looks like everything hinges on end time prophesy. That’s really interesting when you think about it.
If only one of these theologies can be correct, then I wonder if the other two will play a part in the Great Deception.
It’s pretty scary stuff, and all I can do is pray to Christ that I have it right, and if I don’t then that He lead me to it.
Okay, you’ve given me a Google search page.
My question still stands.
“What is the RCO?”
The Roman Catholic Organization.
Here is a list of their doctrine:
http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/ccc_toc.htm
***“If you are not Catholic...”
If you are referring to the Body of Christ, I am a member.***
How do you know?
***If you are referring to the RCO, I am not a member.***
What is the RCO?
***“...then you are almost certainly Protestant and a child of the Reformation.”
I am a Christian. No other descriptor applies.***
Before the Reformation, there was no need of other descriptors. After the Reformation, the hubris of individual men led them to hideous beliefs such as sola scriptura and double predestination. A man may be a Catholic or else not.
***“Either of the Church or not.”
If you mean the Body of Christ, I am a member.***
How do you know?
***If you mean the RCO, I am not a member. The RCO is not Christian.***
What is the RCO?
***“Who is this RCO and what do they say?”
The RCO is the Roman Catholic Organization. Many of its members have idolatry for organizations.***
I don’t want to invoke Petronski’s No Gibberish Rule. What in the world are you talking about?
“That gets the interpretive cart before the horse. And it runs into the difficulty of having, right in the middle, a description, in symbolic terms, of the coming of the Messiah and his ascension to heaven. Which ascension, BTW, begins the three and a half years.”
That is all explained in that link I sent you.
Here: http://tiny.cc/rPSQc
This site takes all that into account and explains it. There are flash forwards and meanwhiles, just like in any other narrative story.
“As akin to Zechariah’s night visions. “And I looked, and behold...”
That doesn’t really answer it, unless what you mean is that it cannot be comprehended.
I've never been to Rome.
Then again, this doesn't apply to me anyway. I'm Catholic.
***“What is the RCO?”
The Roman Catholic Organization.
Here is a list of their doctrine:
http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/ccc_toc.htm***
I googled up Roman Catholic Organization and got such responses as Roman Catholic Organizations (such as Knights of Columbus and Opus Dei), but no Roman Catholic Organization. I am pleased that whoever you are referring to follows the doctrine of the Church (and I wish that all non Catholic Christians would renounce their heresies and follow it) but who are these people that you keep referring to? Plus, you occasionally throw in something called the RCC. Are they a related group?
Amazing.
You can find the website of the Catholic Church, but you cannot identify it by its name.
That represents to me a pathological kind of aversion, like throwing water on the Wicked Witch.
Not sure why.
“I’ve never been to Rome.”
They why are you so devoted to the RCO?
I have nothing to do with any RCO. No matter how many times I tell you that, you seem incapable of fathoming it.
I worship in the Church founded by Christ: the Catholic Church.
“That represents to me a pathological kind of aversion, like throwing water on the Wicked Witch.”
I bet you wish you had a nickel for every time people have said this to you.
“I googled up Roman Catholic Organization and got such responses as Roman Catholic Organizations (such as Knights of Columbus and Opus Dei), but no Roman Catholic Organization.”
Try here:
I pray that the RCO will someday renounce their heresies but it looks like they will be a huge part of the end times prophecies.
RCC = Roman Catholic Church. That was thrown in because the document I was quoting used that term. RCO is a better term as it fully describes and highlights the idolatry.
You still never told me which “Catholic” church is the “true” and “only” one. Is it the Western one or the Eastern one? It can’t be both.
“If we do not accept His Grace, then we are finished.”
Yes, as only He can save us.
“But after we accept Him, then we must, as in Matthew 25, act as proper stewards of His Grace...”
How did you come to the idea that his Grace is a commodity that we are a steward of? We cannot give it away, we cannot even share it. The only way a friend of ours can have Grace is by doing what we did, accepting Christ.
“...just as Peter (and his successors)...”
Where is succession in Scripture?
“...must act as proper stewards of His Church.”
Where is this in Scripture? Is all this inferred by the “keys” passage that seems to not even be referring to Peter at all?
“... the Beatitudes gives us good guidelines. We must give of ourselves without hesitation and become selfless to the point of humility before Him. Mother Teresa comes to mind.”
We can try. Christ calls us to do our best at them. But like the Law, the Beatitudes cannot be fully obeyed by fallen man. We come up way far short. As for acting selfless, even at Teresa’s very best moment on her very best day.. her works were as filthy rags to God.
“Accepting His Grace is not enough.”
We must add filthy rags to Christ’s completed Work in order for it to count for us?
“It is like sitting in your LaZBoy chair and having somebody serve you drinks...”
If it were so easy to accept Christ, then the whole world would be Christian.
“The tasking...”
What are these tasks we must do? If there isn’t an exact thing we must do, how can anyone be sure they have done it?
“I believe that for every man, the works are different. A soup kitchen, a charity, a Boy Scout troop, raising a good Christian family, donating to African welfare, cleaning up the river in the community, joining the Guardian Angels might be some of them.”
So working in a soup kitchen and enabling people to remain trapped in their poverty instead of cleaning themselves up and getting a job is required to partake in Christ’s sacrifice? Giving to a charity that takes your money and uses it to promote lobbying for liberal causes in government is required? Teaching young boys to tie knots and start campfires is required? Raising a family is a work and not a blessing? Raising them Christian is an option and not expected? Giving money to a ironfisted dictator of an African country is required? Cleaning a river? So if that person doesn’t clean a river they don’t get to partake in Christ’s Grace? How would they know they were the one that has to clean the river? Who would even care about a river? The Guardian Angels are a neighborhood watch group. So some people get to raise a family to go to God but other’s have to join the neighborhood watch? How is a man to know what God wants him to do? None of these works makes a person any better than any other person. Even if they have the best of intentions, it cannot be said that anything they have done is good.
“The Bible has sufficient guidelines and suggestions.”
Trying to live as Christ is what we are expected to do. It isn’t what we do to complete His perfect Work, because no matter how hard we try, no matter what we do, it will always be as filthy rags before God. God doesn’t want any man to be able to boast.
“Whatever you do (or don’t do) to the least of my brothers...”
If you have the Holy Spirit indwelt in you, then you yearn for, burn for being able to be like Christ. We all want to. But we must be realistic. Our works are as filthy rags. Not one of them is any good at all. None of them can add to His perfect Work. If God required Christ’s Work *and* you cleaning a river, how could you ever get that river clean enough or perfect enough for it to be good? It will never be good. All of creation is fallen as well and there is nothing we can do about it.
“I’m not sure what the Roman Catholic Organization is. Can you clarify?”
It is that group of people that tell everyone they are the ‘one true church’ even though they perform adultery with Babylon.
“If you mean that Peter was given the keys, then you must look at the kingdoms of the time. Whenever the king went away for any length of time, he selected a steward to watch over the kingdom. The official protocol was that in a public ceremony of some kind, he would give the steward the keys to the castle, which signified that he was in charge of all (including the wine cellar and the women!!!) until the king returned.”
This is non-Scriptural conjecture. Too much is made by the RCO about this one verse that seems to not even be about Peter at all.
“After Jesus, Peter is by far the most mentioned name in Scripture.”
This means nothing.
“Peter speaks for the Apostles, and when Jesus speaks to them, he normally spoke to Peter.”
Is there a website that lists all the times Christ spoke to the apostles and demonstrates that it was most always to Peter? I’d like to see it.
“Peter was commanded to feed His sheep...”
All of us must do this.
“...and He was the first man to perform a miracle.”
After Christ did first right? Even so, what does it prove? He wasn’t even the only one to do it.
“He was the first to convert a Gentile...”
Still don’t see how this makes much of a case.
“...and he was the only man to ever walk on water.”
Aside from Christ though right? Still, he wasn’t brought back from the dead like Lazarus, so shouldn’t Lazarus be Pope instead?
“As the Father has sent me, so I send you. And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained.”
This goes for everyone that has the Holy Spirit.
“What is an RCO ritual?”
Things like praying to dead people, asking fallen humans to forgive you, kneeling/praying/lighting candles in front of a statue, infant baptism, eating wafers, succession, claiming infallibility, worshiping fallen angels, claiming that only certain sin filled fallen men can correctly interpret the Word as if they are angels come down from heaven with a new doctrine, etc.
“I count myself as a member of Christ’s Church.”
You seem to see it as an organization, as you feel that if one person whom you believe to be a fellow member was someplace in history, that you were there as well. Christ formed the Body of Christ, not an organization. The Body of Christ is made up of all Christians. And just because a fellow Christian goes to a NASCAR race, it doesn’t mean that you were there too.
“The doctrine of the Trinity is not plain.”
It was to me. I knew right away that Christ was God and yet Man at the same time. I understood the three Persons in One. Just because some other fallen humans didn’t understand it right away doesn’t mean anything. For millennia the Bible couldn’t even be read by most people, so they could only go by what someone else said about it. If everyone was allowed to read it and had the ability to do so right from the start, then I bet it wouldn’t have taken very long for this to be obvious to all. The RCO kept it under lock and key like a Babylonian Mystery Religion, and only let the elite read it. It was millennia until it was even translated to local languages.
“The Beatitudes are an excellent starting point. Each man is called to do something specific to him - the parable of the talents is an illustration.”
How is this man to know what he must do? Who tells him? What if he fails? Does his acceptance of Christ then mean nothing? How does he know it is only one specific thing? What if it is 3 or 8? How would he know? Why would God ask him to do works that are as filthy rags to Him in addition to His Son’s perfect Work? What works did the thief on the cross next to Christ do?
“True Christianity comes from the words of Jesus, the Apostles and the Doctors of the Church, rather than the vain and hubristic mutterings of men like Luther (good living), Calvin (power) or Zwingli (mysticism).”
I have never read any of their works. But you can also include all the Popes in there too as they are only vain and hubristic men as well. Who are the Doctors of the Church?
“Since Jesus created it, I think that He views it in the same light.”
But Christ created the Body of Christ, made up of all Christians. He didn’t make the RCO, it’s not even Christian.
“Good for whoever these RCO members are.”
Did you check any of the links I gave you about them yet?
“It all depends on your perspective. If you value Jesus more than the letters of men, then the Gospels come first and you may call yourself Christian. If you value the letters of men, then you are not really Christian, are you?”
So the letters of the Bible are enough to justify the forming of the RCO but not enough to be Christian? Or are you saying that only the parts of the Bible where Christ is speaking are the Holy parts and the rest is junk? Why are the rest in there then? Did God mess up when he caused the Bible to come out in the form it is in?
“Then we must have a discussion about what God-inspired means.”
Everything in the Bible is God inspired as it is His Word, His Breath.
“And the relative value of every word.”
Priceless. It is the only thing of value we humans possess.
“Do you think that the words of Jesus Christ are no more valuable than, for instance, Shemiah? God has inspired the Bible; yet the words of Jesus are infinitely more valuable than those of Jephthah.”
They are all important because they are all God’s Word, His Breath. To pick and choose what you like and toss what you don’t will lead away from Christ and into the bondage of Babylon Mystery practices. This is why the RCO is where it is. They only read the parts of the Word they agree with.
Oh wow OK. Thank you very much for posting this. That’s quite a difference. Looks like everything hinges on end time prophesy. That’s really interesting when you think about it.If only one of these theologies can be correct, then I wonder if the other two will play a part in the Great Deception.
Calm down.
You'll find the lines of argumentation usually drawn between the dispensationalists and everybody else. As far as anathemas go, I'd prefer to leave the limits where the Apostles' and Nicene Creeds do.
Geerhardus Vos (amillenial) and B. B. Warfield (postmil) were close friends in life.
It’s pretty scary stuff, and all I can do is pray to Christ that I have it right, and if I don’t then that He lead me to it.
Get other things right, and the eschatology will come.
“How do you know?”
I believe in my heart and confess with my mouth Christ. I admit that I am a sinner and that the only way I can be saved is through Christ. I repent of my sins and do my utmost to never sin again and to be as much like Christ as is possible for me.
“What is the RCO?”
Again? I’ve answered this already a number of times.
“Before the Reformation, there was no need of other descriptors. After the Reformation, the hubris of individual men led them to hideous beliefs such as sola scriptura and double predestination.”
I know nothing of the Reformation. All I know is the Bible. There is a ton of hubris and hideous beliefs in the RCO too.
“A man may be a Catholic or else not.”
Like this idolatry for the RCO.
“I don’t want to invoke Petronski’s No Gibberish Rule.”
Of course. Doing that would mean that you have conceded the argument.
“What in the world are you talking about?”
Members of the RCO love the organization above Christ.
“Calm down.”
I am calm.
“You’ll find the lines of argumentation usually drawn between the dispensationalists and everybody else.”
So why did you draw a line between yourself and Topcat?
“As far as anathemas go, I’d prefer to leave the limits where the Apostles’ and Nicene Creeds do.”
What do you mean?
“Get other things right, and the eschatology will come.”
I have it right and my eschatology is fine. You are pretty quick to declare victory without winning. That smacks of desperation.
***Not sure why.***
I am asking for clarification. What is the RCO?
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