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To: m4629

Excuse me for not elaborating to the entire fullness of every nuance of every conceivable relevancy however tenuous.

Medical & legal people use Latin, but only for very narrow applications - as in fractions of sentences.
My doctor may use a few words of Latin when discussing a diagnosis, but that doesn’t mean my entire conversation with him is in Latin. Big difference.

Those of us who “hate Latin” (as you put it) do so not because we “can’t mangle the words or its meaning” (as you viciously impute), but because 99% of congregants CAN’T UNDERSTAND IT. Doesn’t matter how precise it is if the expression is opaque.


29 posted on 08/19/2009 12:42:05 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (flag@whitehouse.gov may bounce messages but copies may be kept. Informants are still solicited.)
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To: ctdonath2
Those of us who “hate Latin” (as you put it) do so not because we “can’t mangle the words or its meaning” (as you viciously impute), but because 99% of congregants CAN’T UNDERSTAND IT. Doesn’t matter how precise it is if the expression is opaque.

I strongly suspect you don't understand the Mission of the Universal Church, specifically the Latin Mass.

The Church, brings the Faith to various people in the whole world, thru their own local language (e.g. homily and catechesis), whereas the Church brings its people into the Faith and Universal Church thru its mother tongue, Latin, thru the Ordinary parts of the Mass, with translation for those needing it. This also enables everyone to Participate in Mass evreywhere in the whole world, in Latin.

btw, the most widely spoken language in the world is NOT English, it's Spanish, just in case you didn't know. I suspect you speak only one language. In general, from personal observation, Spanish speaking people don't suffer from superority complex as English speaking people do.

31 posted on 08/19/2009 12:50:47 PM PDT by m4629 (politically incorrect, and proud of it)
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To: ctdonath2
99% of congregants CAN’T UNDERSTAND IT.

Psst...congregants can't understand much of the English either. Neither can the clergy. They are not being asked to understand. The inadequacy of human understanding is why we are called to worship, geddit?

41 posted on 08/19/2009 1:11:40 PM PDT by Romulus (The Latin Mass is the real Youth Mass)
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To: ctdonath2
Besides laziness, what's your excuse for not taking the initiative and learning Latin?
58 posted on 08/19/2009 5:43:42 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: ctdonath2

but because 99% of congregants CAN’T UNDERSTAND IT. Doesn’t matter how precise it is if the expression is opaque.

As a child raised Catholic in the 50’s and 60’s we in the pews all understood what was being said in Latin mass for two reasons. We all had missals that had Latin and our primary language translation in front of us. My mother had an Italian/Latin missal and the neighbors used a French/Latin translation. I had an English/Latin translation. After being exposed to the Latin regularly, since we went to Mass at least weekly, we learned all the meanings of the Latin words.

Any practicing catholic could translate the Vulgate into their own language. It was expected and understood.


74 posted on 08/19/2009 7:54:20 PM PDT by Chickensoup ("Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.")
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To: ctdonath2
Those of us who “hate Latin” (as you put it) do so not because we “can’t mangle the words or its meaning” (as you viciously impute), but because 99% of congregants CAN’T UNDERSTAND IT.

Bull. I go to the Latin Mass most every week. Been doing that for 10 years so I think I have a pretty good idea of what kind of people are in the pews.

EVERYONE understands it to some degree. My wife is a convert from Judaism--she took no Latin in school whatsoever. Well after a few years of Latin Mass, she can understand it quite well. It becomes a second language to you once you hear it often enough.

It's a beautiful language, it's a beautiful liturgy, and nuts to you if you don't like it.

90 posted on 08/20/2009 2:27:23 PM PDT by Claud
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