Posted on 08/17/2009 9:10:31 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
Huh?
Wait, while I put that into Babelfish.....
Wow.
Not sure what you are trying to point out. The point is, people die. You will die, I will die. Unless Christ returns in our lifetime, everyone alive today, will die. The apostles died. Peter was crucified upside down, Paul was beheaded, Stephen was stoned to death.
Do you believe in eternal life?
Yes. My (dead) body will be resurrected upon Christs return. But I will be dead prior to that. My spirit will return to Christ and return to my resurrected body when Christ commands it so.
...or, better yet, you could ask the virging-born sinless assumed Mary to translate it!
Do men who kneel when asking for their girlfriend’s hand in marriage worship their girlfriend when they do so?
Does the soldier who kisses a picture of his wife while on the battlefield worship his wife?
Do you worship your friends when you ask them to pray for you?
Point out where the context says otherwise, specifically where forgiveness of sin is written in the passage. Otherwise, it is your interpretation, which is NOT in keeping with the context.
The reality is that the Orthodox share or Marian beliefs and the traditional Lutherans and Anglicans do as well.
It's incredibly arrogant for people to declare a belief held by Christianity for nearly two thousand years and believed by over two-thirds of Christians to be heretical.
No anti-Catholic bigot has EVER been able to offer a sufficient explanation as to why men such as Luther, Calvin and Zwingli not only did renounce Marian teachings, they CONTINUED to subscribe to them.
The Bible, which many Protestants DO worship, clearly says in reference to the Blessed Mother, "ALL generations SHALL call me blessed." How do the anti-Catholic bigots follow this? Do they call her blessed? NO, they spent absurd amounts of time condemning those who DO call her blessed.
It's not a change of subject, it's directly on point: it's what makes your posts about Catholicism so laughable.
So you don’t live in heaven until then? You lie dormant?
Something we can all agree on, and a nice way to sign off the thread. Me too, I'm off to bed (it's late here)
May God bless you all.
Oh I have don’t have to.
Babelfish works for me.
Guess what it said?
I daresay "she meant they are alive--not their earthly bodies, but their souls" (their earthly bodies are not alive, but they live spiritually).
Maryism is what makes maryism so laughable.
Does the soldier who kisses a picture of his wife while on the battlefield worship his wife?
Do you worship your friends when you ask them to pray for you? Strawman argument.
A man kneeling is doing a human act of placing himself below a person he holds in esteem. Making her 'worthy' of his love. The translation of "worship" is from the Middle English: worshipe worthiness, respect, reverence paid to a divine being, from Old English weorthscipe worthiness, respect, from weorth worthy, worth + -scipe -ship. In essence, worshiping her. Not worship as in deity.
The soldier on the battlefield does the same as an icon of the person he loves. You may hold the same argument for Mary, but the effect is that of idolization when done to the scope of the Roman Catholic Church.
When you ask friends to pray for you, you are doing what Christ wants. We are to pray for each other. This is not granting a status of deity.
So, how can someone say that a person is worshiping Mary by what he does in front of a statue then say that another is not worshiping a book by the actions around it?
As I have never once said anything close to a Hail Holy Bible full of grace. The dead cannot answer prayers and if they are in Heaven why would they want to see the suffering down here? I will not say that you will be denied Heaven for your beliefs that is for God to decide but I also will not allow your side to state that Christ started the Catholic Church, there is simply no scriptural basis for that contention. I believe that we are all brothers and sisters in Christ and the rest is poppycock used to inflame the masses. You merely need to remember that every church is run by humans and is fallible the only infallible source is the Holy Trinity and if all three agree you can be safe in assuming that it is from God. So I wish everyone the best and will not be joining anymore Catholic debates as I simply do not believe the same way. Mary does not have any hold on me other than being blessed to be the vessel through which Christ was born. After that she was just like the rest of us.
To All God Bless.
Mary wasn’t assumed?
...nor translated?
=)
But “maryism” as you have described it bears no resemblance to actual Catholic teaching.
>>Psalm 23:6
Surely goodness and love will follow me all the days of my life, and I will dwell in the house of the LORD forever. <<
What part of “forever” is so hard to understand?
It doesn’t mean later on. It means from the moment one’s earthly body dies.
>>The dead cannot answer prayers and if they are in Heaven why would they want to see the suffering down here?<<
You are making a HUGE assumption.
Have you ever been dead to know what a dead person wants?
This is pedantic. The body dies. The spirit lives. As Paul said:
Phl 1:21-23 For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. If I am to go on living in the body, this will mean fruitful labor for me. Yet what shall I choose? I do not know! I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far;
Do you believe Paul had any doubt he was about to die?
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