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To: wagglebee; Alex Murphy; Quix; Marysecretary
Some Roman Catholics have a very strange idea of "accuracy."

FYI, that's Mary and she's on the cross with Jesus in the main Mary basilica in Rome.

I doubt a Protestant erected that blasphemous image.

And a quick reading of Alex' links shows that many, many Roman Catholics are being taught and foolishly believe that "Mary is on the cross with Christ helping Christ to redeem His sheep."

440 posted on 10/19/2009 4:15:42 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Alex Murphy
In the interest of full disclosure, this picture can ONLY be found on the website of a Baptist church which also says this:

THE CALVINISM DEBATE Part 1 of 2

3. CALVINISM’S DOCTRINES ARE CONTRARY TO THE PLAIN TEACHING OF GOD’S WORD.

THE BIBLE VS. THE CALVINIST DOCTRINE THAT FAITH IS A WORK

Calvinism says that grace means man cannot do anything, cannot even believe, because otherwise grace would not be grace and the sinner would have something to boast of.

4. CALVINISM INTERPRETS SCRIPTURE BY THEOLOGY RATHER THAN BY CONTEXT.

Its doctrines are not supported by the plain language of Scripture but are read into the Scripture. In Bible interpretation, the principle rule is to interpret according to the plain language of the text and according to the context.

5. CALVINISM MISSTATES WHAT NON-CALVINISTS BELIEVE.

There are many strawman arguments that the Calvinist erects and defeats, but by defeating them he has only defeated a figment of his own imagination.


442 posted on 10/19/2009 4:24:30 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Just out of curiosity, have you recently abandoned Calvinism to become a devotee of the prophet-deity J-d (he has the “mind of Christ”)? Are you among the “millions” who have seen UFOs?


443 posted on 10/19/2009 4:27:31 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; wagglebee; Alex Murphy; Quix; Marysecretary
I post Christian art, usually Catholic or Orthodox daily on this board in connection with the daily scripture readings. I can assure you I come across megabytes of art of every description. Some is better than other, and some is not good at all.

Catholic art does not have a canon. An artist is free to make any image he can, from cheaply sentimental to blasphemous. Some of it finds its way into churches. That is very unfortunate, but for that reason you cannot point out to any particular piece of art, vaguely suggestive of Catholicism, and project a Catholic doctrine from it.

Mary with infant Jesus on the cross with adult Jesus is something quite unique. There are many traditional ways to depict the intimacy that exists between Jesus and His mother but this is not one of them. What we have here is one, unique case of artistic license. I have seen much worse.

Were it depicting Mary as actually physically crucified, -- attached to the cross with nails or ropes like Jesus is,-- I would have a serious problem with this cross. As it is, with Mary floating in the air, it simply conveys the perfectly Catholic idea that Mary -- and in fact all faithful Christians -- participate in the suffering of Christ.

[I, St. Paul] rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up those things that are wanting of the sufferings of Christ, in my flesh, for his body, which is the church. (Colossians 1:24)

444 posted on 10/19/2009 5:00:28 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

INDEED.

And the rabidly duplicitous clique . . .

are soooooooooooo gifted at parsing words and phrases and nuances . . . when it suits them . . .

and deploring such when it suits them.

Takes double-mindedness to a whole new much lower level of the hellish depths of hideousness.

‘That wording . . . not there.’

. . . brazenly ignoring equal wording.

As though no one else would be bright enough to notice!

Sheesh.


446 posted on 10/19/2009 5:05:12 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Sorry, but Catholic paintings traditionally depict Mary at the foot of the cross, as she is described in the Bible.


450 posted on 10/19/2009 5:14:07 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
And a quick reading of Alex' links shows that many, many Roman Catholics are being taught and foolishly believe that "Mary is on the cross with Christ helping Christ to redeem His sheep."

Huh? I don't know any.

455 posted on 10/19/2009 5:22:24 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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