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To: vladimir998

1 Reform the UN to manage globalization? - is NOT IAW the Gospel, which assumes the depravity of man. This is why our founding fathers wanted decentralized government.

2 I don’t get high interest loans from banks. I get very reasonably priced loans from banks, or I go elsewhere. Banks aren’t evil until government takes them over.

3 Strengthened trade unions to protect workers? - a free market protects workers. Trade unions protect the lazy and indolent. There is nothing Christian about protecting the lazy by punishing the hard working.

4 “Greater aid to developing nations to combat the “scandal of inequality.”” Charity. Christian. Period.”

Nope. Greater aid means greater dependency. Paul - the Apostle so many Catholics criticize - taught that we should WORK for our needs - not wait for others to take care of us. Mexico has tremendous resources. It is crippled by prejudice and corruption. Given the Catholic Church’s influence, perhaps the Pope ought to work on straightening out Mexico before taking on the world.

If you believe that liberal claptrap about how we and other capitalists are oppressing the world, perhaps you should join DU.


25 posted on 07/14/2009 8:24:13 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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You wrote:

“1 Reform the UN to manage globalization? - is NOT IAW the Gospel, which assumes the depravity of man. This is why our founding fathers wanted decentralized government.”

They were not perfect men themselves. And reforming the UN is not inherently unchristian.

“2 I don’t get high interest loans from banks. I get very reasonably priced loans from banks, or I go elsewhere. Banks aren’t evil until government takes them over.”

Elsewhere? You mean like a credit union? Perish the thought!

“3 Strengthened trade unions to protect workers? - a free market protects workers. Trade unions protect the lazy and indolent. There is nothing Christian about protecting the lazy by punishing the hard working.”

In the 19th century, when America was supposedly far more Christian than now, workers were horribly abused. How exactly did the free market protect them? You go ahead and read the Sadler Report from England and tell me that the free market at the time protected workers. http://history.hanover.edu/courses/excerpts/111sad.html

“Nope. Greater aid means greater dependency.”

Not if it is the right kind of aid.

“Paul - the Apostle so many Catholics criticize...”

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Where? What Catholics? Do you mean liberals who call themselves Catholics (CINOs)? In the Catholic Church we’re just finishing the Year of St. Paul - did you know that?

“- taught that we should WORK for our needs - not wait for others to take care of us.”

True. Then again the apostles also did this:

Acts 4: 32All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had. 33With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and much grace was upon them all. 34There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need.
36Joseph, a Levite from Cyprus, whom the apostles called Barnabas (which means Son of Encouragement), 37sold a field he owned and brought the money and put it at the apostles’ feet.

And in Philippians 4: 14 Nevertheless you have done well that you shared in my distress. 15 Now you Philippians know also that in the beginning of the gospel, when I departed from Macedonia, no church shared with me concerning giving and receiving but you only. 16 For even in Thessalonica you sent aid once and again for my necessities. 17 Not that I seek the gift, but I seek the fruit that abounds to your account. 18 Indeed I have all and abound. I am full, having received from Epaphroditus the things sent from you, a sweet-smelling aroma, an acceptable sacrifice, well pleasing to God. 19 And my God shall supply all your need according to His riches in glory by Christ Jesus. 20 Now to our God and Father be glory forever and ever. Amen.

So Paul commends the charity of an entire church.

“Mexico has tremendous resources. It is crippled by prejudice and corruption. Given the Catholic Church’s influence, perhaps the Pope ought to work on straightening out Mexico before taking on the world.”

You clearly have no idea of what you’re talking about. Mexico is run by oligarchs who seized the country in the 19th century. These same oligarches supported the government when it made Catholicism ILLEGAL and murdered priests an looted parishes. Did you know any of this?

“If you believe that liberal claptrap about how we and other capitalists are oppressing the world, perhaps you should join DU.”

You’re not being consistent. Capitalists corrupt the world too because they too are capable of evil. It is not only liberals who corrupt the world. Most men do. The founding fathers, for instance, were slave owners. I keep that in perspective and realize they were men of their times. But I cannot deny that that was inherently racist, EVIL and unchristian. You apparently have no problem with it because those slavers were all cheery capitalists and decentralists. If that is “liberal claptrap” then Christianity has a real problem....and so do you.


34 posted on 07/14/2009 8:55:21 AM PDT by vladimir998
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